Feb. 15th, 2011 06:08 pm
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Things like THIS make me depressed because they are true.

Which is why I really want my friend to come with me to VanCon this year, so that she can hopefully ask one non-vapid question...even if no one knows how to answer it. (My friend is hella smart, folks, and ponders things like constructions of masculinity.) (Do people say "hella" anymore, or was that an early 2000s thing that only I still do?)

In other related news - and because I had a great time at last year's con - I broke down and just went ahead and bought a silver ticket and even some photo-ops. Because I am crazy like that. 

Now I just need to figure out how to make more money...while still quitting my good-paying job (because it may be good-paying, but I'd gladly sacrifice that money not to have my soul sucked out of me. I'm sure Sam and Dean would agree that soul-sucking should be avoided at all costs.)

Anyway, yeah, the game might be crooked, but it's the only game in town, so you might as well smile while you play...

Date: 2011-02-16 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
It's half-true, for sure. I was at L.A. Con, it was my first Con ever, and I had a very good time.

The price-gouging was pretty blatant and in some cases actually kind of insulting.

I am also really sad that the writers/producers/anyone else doesn't seem to get invited. I am SURE that fans would love to have a panel with Gamble and Kripke and Singer and Edlund and Carver and the rest of them. I know I would! I don't know why that isn't the case.

The writer is a little hard on the panels, frankly. Sure, no one is going to be best friends with the stars or anything, but she made it sound like the whole actor/fan relationship is a giant fake, and it really isn't. The actors are all, I am pretty sure, genuinely pleased to be there, and are genuinely appreciative of the fans. It doesn't extend beyond that, but the sane fans don't expect it to.

Date: 2011-02-16 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
How was it?! I'm still waiting on your post about it....

Date: 2011-02-16 04:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
As soon as I can get my brain working enough, I will post. In short? Lots of fun. Exhausting. A couple of moments of fail, but overall I had a really good time. :)

Date: 2011-02-16 04:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]

Glad you had fun! Gladder you're back....

*goes back to trying to reclaim my brain from [ profile] roque_clasique's zombie plot bunny*

Date: 2011-02-16 05:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I look forward to hearing about it!! :)

Date: 2011-02-16 05:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yes, it's mainly the price-gouging that is depressing because it's true. I do think the writer really missed out on the camaraderie of the con...and also probably assumed the actor-fan relationship was fake when it really isn't, it's a specific you say, appreciative, but not best-friends and with certainly no illusions that they are.

Anyway, yeah, I'd LOVE for the writers to come out. I mean, really, we're absolutely blessed with awesome writers on the's why I love the Comicon videos and I have high hopes that the writers might be at Paley too...but yeah, it's mainly Creation that sucks, I think, and it's a shame they have the monopoly on Supernatural Cons in North America.

Date: 2011-02-16 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
This whole article made me go like this: D:

That being said, I also have silver tickets for Vancon and I don't regret it. I want to go at least once and see for myself. (Speaking of, I hope we can meet up since we're both in the same section! :D) Though I originally was going to go to Nashville (the date change screwed me up), I'm excited to go to Vancouver because it's closer to me, but more importantly, they have crew members speak! Other than oogling the boys (yes I will admit it), I am looking forward to hearing from the crew moreso. I'd pass out from amazement if the writers actually went but maybe Creation doesn't realize that we'd pay to see them, too.

I need to go to Comic Con some day...

Date: 2011-02-16 05:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
We will totally meet up at VanCon and it will be TONS OF FUN! What seat are you?! I'm way off on the side. I'm hoping some people in the middle don't show up so that I can move over.

Vancouver is awesome for having the crew come...usually just one or two give a talk, but a lot of the rest of the crew roams the audience while we are unaware. I REALLY liked the Art Department talk last year. I'm really hoping there's another one of those this year.

I think Creation thinks that it's all about the pretty boys...but really, as much as I love the pretty boys, I'd be just as star-struck - if not more so - if I were meeting the writers.

Comic Con would be cool to go to for sure, but I think the crowds would kill me.

But yeah, don't let that article get you down - I had an absolutely fantastic time at last years Con. I think the guy who wrote the article might be a fan of the show, but he doesn't understand the way the fandom works...mostly, the Con's are fun because for 3 solid days you get to spend time with a bunch of people who are unashamed in their love for the show...and you get to meet a lot of awesome people from all over

Date: 2011-02-16 05:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I am Row L, Seat 25, which is right in the middle along the aisle! I'll be super glad if people aren't there so we'll have a better view ;)

lol I am with you on the crowd bit with Comic Con but ugh as far as I can tell, it's only that and the Paley conference where you can meet the writers. Perhaps a stalking session is in order? ;) jk jk

Excellent point about the article, and based on everything you wrote about your experiences last year, I am still so. freaking. excited.!!! I was going to ask, which photo ops did you buy this time? I'm guessing Jared again for sure, but who else? :D I kind of want to take one with Misha because he's so hilarious and adorable. I might be too nervous around Jared and Jensen.... >_>

Date: 2011-02-16 05:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Cool, I'm row J, seat, a couple of rows closer, but over to the side, so it probably works out to be about the same :P Last year there were a bunch of empty seats though, so people moved around within their sections (I was never ballsy enough to try to move into the empty gold seats).

Haha, I think only with Supernatural would the writers have to worry about fans stalking them :P

You should be excited! It'll be a great time, you'll see! Don't pay any attention to the bah-humbug article ;)

Last year I didn't actually have photo-ops, so this will be the VERY FIRST time that I experience them! I bought a J2 photo-op (Two for the price of one and three-quarters!) and a Misha photo-op.

I would have gotten a solo Jared picture...because...well...I'm sure you remember my reaction to getting just my Jared autograph :P But then I figured that Jensen is quite handsome and awesome as well, so I might as well get them both, and I might as well save money where I can and just buy the J2 instead of them individually.

So, now I have several months to freak out about what to wear and to get nervous about the inevitably dorky smile I'll be sporting in the picture ;)
Edited Date: 2011-02-16 05:55 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-02-16 06:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Ohhh okay, I think I had hallucinated that you put a "warm arm" around Jared (or the other way around) but I just went back and looked to see that you said you would have done it if you could have! XD (Plus I thought I remembered a post of yours where you showed us a corner of your room with the pic but it was the autographed one, so nevermind!)

Well I can't think of any reason why a pic with both boys would be a bad thing! XD Maybe you'll all have dorky smiles and it will be the most hilariously awesome pic ever!

Date: 2011-02-16 06:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
No worries!

But yes, I plan to put an arm around both boys at once! And they can just look handsome, and I'll be an unashamed dork....and really, who could blame me? ;)

Date: 2011-02-16 03:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Though I agree on the gouging, I respectfully disagree with the general "this is sad" conclusion.

The author missed one of the main things that is fun about the cons: the fans' interaction with each other. I've been to both Creation's Trek and Supernatural cons, and the Trek con was dull and sad because the fans all kept to themselves.

Re: the comment that nothing else was going on at LA Con: I thought they had a Random Acts movie marathon, as well as Loudin Swain playing in town. Maybe the author was only reviewing Creation-provided entertainment, which is fair enough.

Finally, though I'm respectful and polite with the actors, I would totally LOSE IT around Ben Edlund, so I'm fine with him not attending these ;)

Date: 2011-02-16 05:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
The author didn't go to the Karaoke party either, he just made mention of it and said that you needed special tickets (which, I don't believe is true - or maybe you just can't got on a day ticket?) Anyway, yeah, you are right.

But yeah, it's true about the price-gouging, but I agree that the author completely misses the main point of the con...and that's that we all have fun with each other.

I mean, this is the fandom that has WinCon, which is a female-fan-only con where no one from the show is every invited...because the point is to get together and act like complete goofs for the weekend without anyone judging :P

So, yeah, definitely someone who doesn't really understand the nature of the Supernatural fandom. ;)

Date: 2011-02-16 03:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'd love to go to a con, but I have to admit, the cost is prohibitive. I'm guessing the Vancouver con is a lot more exciting, just because you're in the place where the show is filmed, and there are things to see "after hours", as well as being able to see cast and crew. If I had extra cash to spend (and someone to watch the dog) I'd be there in a flash.

I have gone to a couple Creation cons (for Stargate) and I do think they're in it for the money. They don't have to charge so much, and they don't have to make such a large profit, but they know people will pay. But they are pretty much the only way to see the actors across the country, so...

Date: 2011-02-16 05:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yeah, the part of the article that I thought was true was the price-gouging, but the author really does miss out on how absolutely fun the cons are. I do wish they were cheaper though.

The only reason I can afford to go to VanCon (and I can't reallly,) is because I live in the city. If I had to pay for travel and a hotel? Forget it - way too expensive.

I do with that Creation didn't have the monopoly on Supernatural conventions in North America...but what are you going to do :P

Date: 2011-02-16 04:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'd love to get to an SPN con someday. (Not sure the hubs would tolerate it, though!) I agree; the writers would be a HUGE draw for me. I'm with kaybee in the Edlund Admiration Society.

Sucks that it's such a money-gouging scheme...and this is no fault of the shows. It's clearly the way Creation does business. Yeah, it takes serious cash to run these things but come on, really? There must be a less insulting way.

Kalixa, I SO hear you on the soul-sucking well-paying job. Hell, I'm in a soul-sucking CRAP-paying job! But that's why they call it 'work', I s'pose. Best of luck getting that sorted out. Sometimes you just have to grit your teeth until something better comes along. Keep on truckin'. (And that's a 1970's thing!)

Date: 2011-02-16 05:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I think there's a quote from Mark from LA where he describes Edlund as an "evil super genius"...and I have to agree. If Edlund showed up at a Con, I'd be even more nervous around him than I am around Jensen and Jared.

And yes, the money-gouging is all on Creation...not the show. And Creation really does get insulting with it. It's ridiculous. I think the fans make the best of a bad situation though...and it IS better than not seeing the actors at all, I suppose. It's one of the most interactive-shows on TV, and personally I think that's pretty cool.

The sad thing is that my soul-sucking job isn't even THAT well-paying. I mean, it's pretty good, but really, with my level of education and the years I've put in with the company, I should be making more. I hate it though, so I think it's just time that I find something else. There's no upward mobility, time to get out while the getting is good.

Date: 2011-02-16 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
the game might be crooked, but it's the only game in town, so you might as well smile while you play...

That, my friend, is a very DEAN attitude. Only he'd be grinning his shit-eating grin and cleaning up the craps table

Hope you have a great time!

Date: 2011-02-16 05:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Dean always has my back! ;)

And thank you! I had a fantastic time last year, and this year I'll know even more people who are attending :)

Date: 2011-02-16 05:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
That's fantastic! I'm happy for you...

Date: 2011-02-16 05:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I was at LA con this weekend as well and yes, it's true - the prices are outrageous and at times very frustrating in their clear exploitation - that being said, I had a brilliant time at con. The actors were wonderful to the fans and answered their questions (some of which were quite interesting and insightful) as best they could. They also seemed to be having a good time, although fatigue definitely was an issue for a few of them. I met some awesome people, and the whole weekend I felt like I was somewhere I fit in, where I didn't have to apologize for the way I was, or how much I liked something. To me, that's the best part of con.

There are some downsides but to me, it's worth it. Not because of the way Creation runs it, but because of the people and the shared joy.

I hope you have a wonderful time at VanCon! I'm going too, so maybe we can say hi and/or meet up for a caffeine jolt at some point. XD

Date: 2011-02-16 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Yeah, I had a great time at VanCon last year, and I don't regret it in the slightest. I DON'T like Creation, but when they're the only game in town, you just have to make do.

And really, I can criticize the more vapid questions all I want (and I do know that there are always some insightful ones), but I can never come up with ANY questions, so really, who am I to judge :P

And yes, we definitely should meet up at VanCon! Are you silver or gold ticket? I'm excited! It'll be cool to meet you and some other members of my flist in person for the first time :)

Date: 2011-02-16 06:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I couldn't think of any questions, either, or do any documentation. Maybe some would say I'm doing in wrong, but I just had such fun taking everything in.

I just ordered a silver ticket yesterday - I'm hoping to wait and buy a gold one off of someone but seats were filling up so quick. If I do get a chance to upgrade, hopefully I can sell the silver one easily enough.

I'm excited, too! I met a couple people on my flist at this con, but the more the merrier! It's so cool to put a face to a name. :)

Date: 2011-02-16 06:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'll be looking for a cheap silver ticket closer to the con for my friend. I'm not sure what her budget is yet though. If I get a chance to upgrade, I may also take it though, and just give her my silver...but we'll see.

I take notes at the Con, but I mainly just do it because sometimes I get nervous in large crowds or in prolonged social situations and it helps to calm me down a little to have something to focus on. It just has the nice side-effect of making it really easy to write up reports at the end of the day :P

I decided not to bother with pictures though, because I just wanted to enjoy myself and not worry about focus or holding my hands steady or getting caught taking videos. I don't think there's a wrong way to do it, as long as you are having a good time. If you AREN'T having a good time, then you're doing it wrong. ;)

Date: 2011-02-16 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I was interested to read the linked article, and the comments to your post. When I first started going to SF World Cons, (and without my husband!), my family tended to look at me like lobsters were coming out my ears. When my younger sister (w/her first kid in the hopper) expressed a wistful desire to go to Chicago for a Supernatural Con, I was nearly hysterical with amazement. It's apparent to me that her con-going motivations are different than mine (coughSamcough), and I think the writer of the article has more in common with a general con-goer than a single fandom con-goer. Both types of con provide camaraderie and squee support, it seems. If the stars aligned and I could take my sister to a SPN con, I'm pretty sure I'd get snarky before it was over. Is there really any reason I can't have everything I want? :)

At SF World Cons I have sat next to authors during lunch, for free. (Connie Willis and Kage Baker come to mind immediately.) No personal interaction, sure, but gracious greetings, and I got to eavesdrop on conversations. Autograph opportunities were free, if you brought the book. Pay your con fee, and the days are filled with free panels where authors, experts, stars and fans discuss in depth almost anything you want to hear about. Movies, filking, costumes, huge dealer/sales room, awards . . . very multi-dimensional, and great bang for the buck compared to what I'm reading about a single fandom con.

I love the pretty boys, but my fantasy world is littered with pretty boys. My inner fangirl really heats up when there's an alignment of character and story, when the hooks dig in past my libido. It's a shame there isn't a more holistic representation of writers, etc. at these cons -- I'll bet the cons would draw more people, in the long run.

Date: 2011-02-16 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
At Creation Cons there are different levels of you get "free autographs" if you have gold or silver tickets, but you have to pay extra for them if you have a general ticket.

And yes, if you like the multi-dimensional Con, then you might not like the Supernatural Creation Con...especially if you are used to Cons that DON'T feel like they are trying to milk you for every penny you have. In recent years, the stars have been trying to re-align the money and there's been an increase in charity-auctions rather than just Creation-auctions at the Cons...but still. It's the one really depressing thing about going to a Supernatural con done by really feel the financial-divide between you and, what I only assume are, the upper percentile of wealth in America. :P

And yes, if Creation realized the fans weren't shallow stupid women, and they actually thought to bring in the writers and open the Cons up for more intelligent discussion, I think it WOULD draw in more people and perhaps advertise the show better. That being said, we have to work with what we've got - and so it falls to the people who go to appreciate that Jared and Jensen also have brains and actually like the more discussiony questions, rather than the more superficial ones. Usually there's a nice mix of questions though, so people are making the most of it.

In the meantime, we'll just have to enjoy the glimpses we get of the creators at Comic Con every year...and hopefully this year at Paley.

Date: 2011-02-16 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Have a blast. Any con beats no con at all! I'm trying to swing Reno for this year's WorldCon, although the thought of flying has become horrible.

Date: 2011-02-16 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I just read the article that you linked to, and while it's a fresh perspective from a con-goer who's male and not fan-girling the boys (unlike us!), I do think that he comes in with an expectation, and maybe that alone pulls his enjoyment rate down.

I think there are different types of people who go to cons, and it depends on whether you've met your objective for participating and going in the first place. This writer goes with the expectation that he can learn something informative about the show and its characters, as well as the progress and behind the scenes of what goes on with the brain-trust of the series, and since he can't make the goal, he thinks that the whole experience is not worth the time. Similarly, if you go there just to quiz the boys on their personal lives then you'll be delighted by the barrage of questions targeted to make them uncomfortable. :)

If your aim is to just see the boys in real-life and less than an arm's length away signing the autos, or hugging you for the photo ops, then it doesn't really matter what the content of the panels are, or how long you have to stand in line for them to take a photo/sign the pictures, you'll think it's worth every penny.

Personally, I came in with NO expectations during the AHBL Aussie Con, and I enjoyed it very much even though I've heard from a couple of my friends that they regarded the whole thing as a bit of a mess. So maybe if you don't have anything to expect, you won't have the chance to get disappointed! LOL

Date: 2011-02-16 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I do think that he comes in with an expectation, and maybe that alone pulls his enjoyment rate down.

Yes, I agree with this.

Last year when I went to VanCon, I had, unlike the author of the article, I didn't expect to learn anything informative (my god, I've done so much research on my own, what could they possibly tell me?), and I knew full well that the writers never appear at these cons...and I also am rarely comfortably in a room full of hysterical girls...and I also expected that I'd spend the whole time cringing as people tried to make the boys uncomfortable with targeted questions.

And, yeah, I also expected to be ripped off, because I had heard enough about Creation Cons to know to expect that.

So, with all those negative expectations in my head - I was pleasantly surprised when I had a blast and was able to find some really cool people to talk to...and discovered that while Creation WAS trying to suck the money out of us, the actors themselves were super personable and kind and doing their best to give us our money's worth.

It really does have to do with expectations...and perspective. I think the author of the article also didn't really understand that for a lot of con-goers, it's less about boys and more about meeting up with fellow fans.

Now, that all being said, seeing as how Creation paid for that guy to go as a member of the press...I'm kind of glad that he wrote a negative review, because there's always the off chance that Creation will hear the complaints - because despite the negativity, he DOES have some good points about the money-gouging and the lack of writer-panels. Not that I expect those to change because of one silly blog post though...

But yeah, one of the reasons I'm really glad they started having Cons in Vancouver is because we get to hear from the crew. It's neat. :)


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