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I've already stumbled upon a mistake in the Supernatural Timeline that I usually use, so I'm quite happy with my decision to keep track of days in the series. It means though that there is TONS of unaccounted for time between episodes, also the weather doesn't make any sense. Basically episodes 3-5 take place between November 14th and February 27th, yet we never see any snow (even though episode 5 takes place in Ohio, where I'm pretty sure the leaves wouldn't still be green and there should be snow on the ground :P).

Anyway, I'll explain more under the cut....

 

Bloody Mary

The boys spend about 5 days investigating  the Bloody Mary deaths in Ohio, including a short trip to neighbouring Indiana (I had to look this up on google maps, my US geography is not very good).

Oh Canada - The boys are actually in a library when they go to the library. You can tell, because it says Bibliotheque in giant blue letters on the doors behind them...how very American. :P

I love this exchange:
Sam: Why'd you let me fall asleep?
Dean: Because I'm an awesome brother....What did you dream about?
Sam: Lollypops and candycanes.

I love how Sam's voice is all rough and sleepy...man, gets me all the time. I guess I have a thing for sarcastic sleepy people.

I also love it when Dean takes down those two cops in seconds. I love Outlaw!Dean.

Oh man...important lines that you don't realize are important unless you come back to them: Right at the end of the episode, Sam says "You're my brother, and I'd die for you, but there are somethings I need to keep to myself..." and right after he says "and I would die for you" there's this flash cut to Dean, who gives this LOOK...and I guess it's a credit to the Jensen, because it's not like he would know what was coming either, but he obviously had worked out that that wasn't something that Dean wanted to hear. Sam says it so flippantly, but you can tell that Dean takes it seriously and doesn't like it...or at least, that's what I interpreted from the look. At the very least, he isn't happy about it.

Ah Jess...this is actually the first and only time we see her "haunting" Sam. I'm not sure what the symbolism is. If it was a goodbye, or what...I mean, he doesn't exactly stop having nightmares, does he? Now I can't remember. There's none in Skin, anyway. I love the song they play. Good episode.

This is the episode that doesn't fit into the timeline over at the Winchester-Journals (linked above). Winchester-Journals says that the brothers attended Shoemaker's funeral on November 21st,  but that's implausible considering the time spent on the other cases and the known dates. Plus, the paper says "a short service will be held on ...ber 31st at 2:00pm" meaning, either October -before the series even starts -or December - but I doubt anyone would hold a funeral service on New Years Eve. The last known date before this episode is November 14th, if you accept my counting that Dean and Sam spend 4 days hunting the Wendigo after spending a week in Palo Alto after Jess' death. Then they spend a total of around 10 days on the two cases between Wendigo and Bloody Mary...taking them well past the 21st, especially considering that there are usually "lost-days" between episodes that we never see.

Plus, if we take into account the dates given for events in the next episode, there would be almost three whole months between Bloody Mary and Skin, if Bloody Mary occurred in November. I think it's more likely that Bloody Mary occurred sometime in January possibly February, and we'll just ignore the weather, and we'll assume that Sam only checks his emails every two months.

Sadly, no DVD extras.

Skin

So, the death of the Shapeshifter at the end of this episode is given as March 7th in The Benders. Rebecca sent the email on Dec 5th (most likely just when they filmed the episode, but since it's there in the email Sam reads, I might as well take it as canon). They are on their way to Bisbee Arizona when Sam finally checks his email. The show itself gives tells us that it is a week between Sam reading the email and the cops chasing Shapeshifter!Dean, which means that this episode takes place over 8 days (including 2 days of the boys driving to St. Louis from Arizona that we don't see). So, this episode takes place between February 28th and March 7th.

I'm quite impressed with myself over this timeline stuff.

The beginning of this episode gets me every time: The music, the SWAT time, the look on Not!Dean's face, makes my heart pound. It's so well done.

More little things I like: When Rebecca takes them to the crime scene, she is all grossed out by the blood, but Sam and Dean don't even flinch. Dean's pretending to be a cop, so that makes sense...but it's cool how Sam forgets that his friends are supposed to think he is normal. I just think that although Sam has tried very hard over the years to appear normal, he doesn't quite know how to do it, there are still things he doesn't pick up on....like "a bloody murder scene should turn your stomach"...If the boys cringe at a murder scene, it's usually only because of the smell.

I like Dean giving Sam a hard time about still trying to keep his friends, and his belief that lies of omission are still lies. The Shapeshifter tells Sam that Dean was jealous that Sam got to go to college and Dean had to stay with their Dad. But I think Dean is actually just jealous that Sam had/has friends that aren't him, because Dean really is all alone and Sam really has been the only friend he's ever had. Dean telling Sam at the end that Sam isn't the only freak, that Dean's a freak right there with him...that basically sums it up - Dean is fine with being an outcast of society, just as long as he has Sam with him. When Sam joined regular society by going college, I think that's what really set Dean's abandonment issues into motion. The Shapeshifter pretty much confirms it when he says "He has tons of issues with you" and "sooner or later everyone will leave me."

This is actually the last time we see any of Sam's college friends, I think. I think for Sam this case is sort of a goodbye to normal. I think it's what he starts to realize when he sees that picture of him, Rebecca, and her brother, on the fridge...that that's not him anymore, and that maybe it never was - because of his line at the end, when he admits to Dean that even though he tried, he never really fit in at Stanford. I know Sam still harbours thoughts of going back to school after they find their Dad and kill the YED, but I think this is the beginning of him accepting the fact that he's never going to really be normal...that he can't cut off his past like it never happened. Mind you, these days he has absolutely no choice in the matter.

And I might add: Shapeshifter!Dean was so right when he told Sam that he should appreciate his brother more! That's one thing that irks me about the first two seasons (but mostly the first) - Sam is such a take-Dean-for-granted guy.

Sadly, no DVD extras 
 

 

Quick note on Accessories: I've noticed that Dean wears a group of bracelets in the S1 so far. I've also noticed in the promotional pictures for S4 that Sam isn't wearing his leather band (but I haven't gone back and confirmed with the episodes)...so I'm thinking that bracelets are just something that come and go with the boys...and they don't have any meaning besides, oh hey...a bracelet. Maybe it's just because with their lives, they can't have many personal belongings, so they purchase bracelets from time to time because they are small things - but give them a chance to have something that is theirs. It could be as simple as that, anyway. The dudes just might like bracelets is what I am trying to say, I guess.

Date: 2008-12-15 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mizzykitty.livejournal.com
Sometimes, a bracelet is just a bracelet. LOL! I don't actually think so though. I just can't see them *buying* jewelry for any reason whatsoever. Money is always tight for them, and things like that are so superfluous that I just don't see how they'd even register on the radar. Unless the bracelets had some personal significance, I just don't see them idly picking up junk jewelry as a fashion statement. I mean, I'm normal and I wouldn't even wear something every day unless it was utilitarian or it had personal significance.

I guess I have a thing for sarcastic sleepy people.
Wow, you'd love me then. ~_^

I'm not sure that Jess was really haunting Sam. I think it was a sign of his mental stress. It was probably just a hallucination.

I agree, this episode does feel like "Sam says goodbye to normal". I love that picture of him on the fridge. He seems so foreign in it with that carefree smile, even to us.

You're right, Dean isn't jealous of Sam going to college, but he does seem to yearn for that normalcy and friendship that Sam appears to have. Dean seems conflicted in this episode. Like he's resentful of Sam for leaving, and he's self-righteously satisfied that Sam's now realizing that this is his fate and he can't fight it, but at the same time he loves Sam and feels bad for him.

Dean's abandonment issues go way deep, much farther back than Stanford. But it probably is one of the biggest issues he has with Sam. I love how it takes shapeshifter guy to tell Sam what he should be able to see but can't because he's so damn self absorbed!
Edited Date: 2008-12-15 02:27 am (UTC)

Date: 2008-12-15 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
lol

I don't know what to think about the bracelets. I don't wear anything either unless it is sentimental or utilitarian. Actually, I always wear a necklace, and I feel naked without one...but I don't see the boys as having that sort of thing going on.

That's why I put haunting in quotations...I don't think she's actually haunting him either. It's more of a psychological thing.

And you are right, Dean's abandonment issues DO go back further than Stanford. I just think that Stanford is what "sealed the deal" so to say.

Date: 2008-12-15 04:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mara-snh.livejournal.com
Minor spoiler for S4, Ep 1

















In modern Witchcraft (which I hope you will not confuse with Satanism, as Kripke & Co. have chosen to do), circles have tremendous significance. Show uses the protection aspect, but the only time I can remember their using the importance of the circle as a way to entrain communal energy is in the seance scene in Lazarus Rising.

That's all the opening I need to suggest that Sam and Dean's bracelets might symbolize the strength of unbroken unity between them, possibly including their father and other good guys, or something along those lines. They might even have been consecrated to such service in some Winchesterian variation on ritual. Maybe Bobby made them and gave them to the boys just as he's given them amulets on occasion.

Our boys may be down on Witchcraft (of the Kripke variety, and with good reason), but they seem perfectly reconciled to the magickal properties of rosaries, pentagrams, runic symbols and other protective devices. The bracelets could come and go because they're worn for a purpose, then are respectfully discarded when that purpose has been met -- or the bracelet's been damaged in a fight or something.

I'll have to stash this idea away for a scene or two in a story I might write someday. Hmmm... wanders off muttering, her mind in a witchy fog
Edited Date: 2008-12-15 04:16 am (UTC)

Date: 2008-12-15 04:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Ahhh...that makes sense! I like that explanation. The boys use a lot of witchcraft lore when it's for protection, so that fits in well! I've noticed in the first season so far that Dean wears two bracelets, and Sam wears one. Whether or not it's intentional, it fits in well personality wise...since Dean's two bracelets could symbolize both John and Sam, whereas Sam's could just symbolize Dean.

Anyway, something to think about. Thanks for the information!

Date: 2008-12-15 04:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mara-snh.livejournal.com
Sweet thinking on your part, the business about why Dean might wear two bracelets to Sam's one.

Please also note that the bracelets they wear are of the type that have to be tied on by someone else, and aren't roomy enough to slip off. (Dean's beaded one might be on elastic thread, but I'm going to pretend it isn't.) This also speaks in favor of ritual.

The more I think about this, the more I see it. Thanks for the topic!

Date: 2008-12-15 05:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Thank YOU! I love this angle on the bracelets. Until I'm given anything official, this is now what I will believe! I also really like sweet sentimental things (obviously) so this just makes me giddy.

Date: 2008-12-15 05:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mara-snh.livejournal.com
Hey, feel free to scribble something sweet that makes use of the idea. None of us can possibly lay exclusive claim to any of the ideas that Show plants in our brains :-) I, for one of no doubt many, would love to read whatever you might be inspired to write. (Why do you think I friended you, silly goose?)
Edited Date: 2008-12-15 05:37 am (UTC)

Date: 2008-12-15 07:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
*blush* You're a sweetheart.

I'm definitely going to mull it over for a few days and see what I come up with. I've got a couple of vague ideas already circling. Mmm...ideas...I like to keep them in my head for a few days, just because they feel so nice. ;)

Date: 2008-12-15 02:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mizzykitty.livejournal.com
Oh, I like the two to one explanation! And the protection explanation from above!

Date: 2014-01-26 03:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] frozen_delight
I loved skin, such a cool episode.

When Rebecca takes them to the crime scene, she is all grossed out by the blood, but Sam and Dean don't even flinch. Dean's pretending to be a cop, so that makes sense...but it's cool how Sam forgets that his friends are supposed to think he is normal. I just think that although Sam has tried very hard over the years to appear normal, he doesn't quite know how to do it, there are still things he doesn't pick up on....like "a bloody murder scene should turn your stomach"...
I wouldn't have noticed this if you hadn't pointed that out. Yeah. Not quite your average guy's behaviour at a crime scene, Sam. But I like how when he's with Dean he completely forgets to pretend to be normal.

The Shapeshifter is horrible, but psychologically ever so interesting, because he seems to voice the kind of things that are hidden away in the people he impersonates, but which they'd never ever actually say.
Though I agree with you that Shapeshifter!Dean gets it a little wrong:
But I think Dean is actually just jealous that Sam had/has friends that aren't him, because Dean really is all alone and Sam really has been the only friend he's ever had.
Like you, I think that Dean doesn't want to have Sam's life, not at all. But he wants Sam to give it up and to share his.
Driving round with his little brother, hunting things, having fun - it all seems like a perfect holiday to Dean. As I progressed watching the episodes, I thought that maybe Dean isn't really interested in finding their Dad as quickly as possible because he doesn't want his time with Sam to end too soon.

Date: 2014-01-26 04:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
I agree. I think once Dean gets confirmation that their Dad is okay, then it's really no longer a race to find him - it instead becomes about looking after Sam, spending time with Sam, making Sam laugh, driving around with Sam, hunting monsters with Sam... and "eventually catch up with Dad" becomes kind of a footnote to Dean's mission statement.

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