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 I watched this two nights ago, but I haven't had a chance to type anything yet! But today I have no work! (yay for me, boo for my wallet)

I actually don't have that many notes for this one, so it'll be much more brief than my other rewatch reviews...


You gotta love the art department at Supernatural. They have to make a swanky hotel set, and then destroy it for the same episode. Or maybe they made a destroyed hotel set and then swankied it up. (Swankied is totally a word now, because I'm declaring it one.) 

I think this is one of the episodes they filmed during the Olympics...I'm only guessing that, because it's a set-heavy episode, rather than a location-heavy episode.

Mmm...wet boys.

"How you doing?"
"But I-"
"Lady, I just-"
"I understand, and no."

-Poor Dean, shot down. I like that exchange. I also really like Kali...I mean, I kind of want to get with her too, and I'm fairly straight.

"How many hours of sleep you get this week? Three, four?"
-Back in 5x11, we discovered that Dean was hardly sleeping, and I thought it nicely proved my theory that Dean had hardly been sleeping since Hell...because everytime we DID see him sleep, he was always passed out awkwardly with his clothes still on. Now we find out that Sam is hardly sleeping too. Poor boys. I wonder if S6 Sam sleeps.

I love Dean with the chocolates in the motel room - it's nice to have Dean back...you know, the 31 year-old who is filled with joy over chocolates like an 12 year-old. I love how he shoots Sam that "please" look and Sam lets him have his pillow-chocolate too. Really, between the two of them, it's Dean who acts like a kid, yet Sam is the one that is coddled like one. Ironic.

I love the elephant in the room thing...just...the way Dean walks by it and then is like "wait a sec..." hahaha

We find out the boys were on the I90. This means that they were up in the northern states...so, did they JUST leave Bobby's? Has Sam not been sleeping because the whole fiasco with Dean saying yes has just occurred? Or has he not been sleeping because he's obsessed with finding Cas and Adam and killing the Lucifer? The cuts on Dean's face have healed, but this is Supernatural, cuts always heal overnight...except that one time they didn't.

"Please be tomato soup, please be tomato soup"
-I love both their expressions when it is not tomato soup.

Ok, so, true to fashion, my one major problem with this episode is extremely nitpicky....

..It's the flash-explanations of who everyone is when we read the name-tags. Now, I actually really like that effect (though, I know others on my flist did not)...I thought it was a really cool way to explain who everyone was. And I also found it hilarious that the gods would do something so dorky as have those little "Hello my name is: _" nametags at their conference. No, what gets my goat about it is that we're supposed to be viewing the episode through Winchester POV. So, when Baldr gives his speech about "...this many gods under one roof" and Sam says "Gods?" all surprised...that does not fly with me. The scene JUST BEFORE had Sam and Dean looking at the nametags and the flashes of insight into who everyone was - SAM SHOULD KNOW THEY ARE GODS. Ugh...

Anyway, back to enjoying the show...

I really like Zao Shen's Chinese. It's really very pleasant to the ear. Now, don't get me wrong...I don't speak Chinese, I don't understand Chinese...I know maybe a handful of phrases that would be of no help to anyone, but that's it. I have, however, traveled in China, and I live in Vancouver, so I've HEARD a lot of Chinese in my life (plus my best friend speaks it). Anyway, I'm just saying...very nice speaking voice in Chinese, in my opinion....mmm...language.

"I'm older than you anyway"
"No one's ever been able to prove that!"

-Haha, oh, pagan god arguments...how I love you.

I also love "don't mock my world turtle"...I've got a world turtle tattooed on me (well, it's just a turtle...but, it COULD be a world turtle).

Then Kali uses the force! Man...wouldn't it have been cool if Darth Vader had been a woman..."Luke, I am your mother..." - so much more creepier.

"And when are you ever lucky?"
"You know what, bite me, Gabriel"
"Later, big boy"

Ok, so when Gabriel says that he's the "Kostner to your Houston"....I fully confused "Houston" with "Heston" the first time I watched this and was really rather confused as to what one had to do with the other. Thankfully, I got the reference properly now.

Also, the use of the term "uber-boned" is awesome.

Ok, now my favorite chunk of dialog in the episode...and perhaps my favorite Dean lines ever...

"How about you do what we say or we tell the Legion of Doom about your secret identity. They don't really seem like the pro-angel crowd."
"I'll take your voices away"
"We'll write it down"
'I'll cut off your hands"

"Well then people are going to be asking: 'why are you guys running around with no hands?'"
-Ah hahahahahahaha. Gabriel's FACE, his FACE...and the way Jensen delivers that last line...KILLS ME. 

Ok, when Kali takes Gabriel's blood, she says "You're bound to me, now and forever".....could...could this be a way to get Gabriel back? Please?....though, for storyline sake, they couldn't use him in the same capacity as he was before, so I don't know how bringing him back would work...besides REALLY help Cas out (presumably).

"Alright you primitive screwheads, listen up"
"You out of your mind?"
"I'm out of options"

-I love Dean...when in doubt, give a speech laced with bravado and insults. Also, when terrified of something, insult it to cover up the fact that you are terrified.

"You think I'd give Kali my real sword? That thing could kill me!"
-I love you Gabester

"Then what do they have in there?"
"A fake - made it out of a can of Diet Orange Slice"

-Hmm...can Gabriel CREATE matter? Or can he only change it? Does everything he creates need to be created FROM something already existing? Where are my theoretical physicists?
Again, we get to the them of whether family is chosen or given...whether it's a matter of choice or blood. Dean asks Gabriel to protect his family of pagan gods, by killing his brother. Save the family you chose by killing the family you were born into. Very interesting dilemma.

"You think you own the planet. What gives you the right?"
"No one gives us the right. We take it."

-I absolutely love that line.

Also, Lucifer totally just started the Norse Apocalypse by killing Baldr like that...at least Haldr and Loki are off the hook for it now. Haldr will be happy, he never wanted to kill his brother...dude, PARALLELS! Hahaha....I kid because I love.

"Lucifer, you're my brother and I love you, but you are a great big bag of dicks"
-I don't have anything to say to this...just, you know...Gabriel telling it like it is.

I love the fact that so very briefly, Gabriel joined Team Free Will. I wish Cas had been around to see it.

"They are broken, but a lot of them try... to be better...to forgive"
-I think this is the problem with Michael and Lucifer. They were like "So I am now, so must I be forever!" And they never aged beyond teenagers with grudges...they could never bring themselves to consider other people's opinions. I mean think about it...pick an age like...14, and picture how much your life would suck if you still thought the same way you did at 14.

"Brother, don't make me do this"
"No one makes us do anything"

-I love that line. Everything is always a choice, just sometimes the choices suck.

:-(     <----(that's actually what I had in my handwritten notes...sideways and everything) RIP Gabester.

Ah the porno....so cheesy, so awesome, so fitting for the character. Also, I love Sam and Dean getting immediately uncomfortable and grossed out after Gabriel delivers his message.

Pestilence is so gross.


Ok, I still have the day off, so I'm going to watch another one today, I think...then maybe write VVV tonight. I should probably tell my boss that I need more work assigned, but then she might assign me work...

Date: 2010-10-21 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trystan830.livejournal.com
"I'm older than you anyway"
"No one's ever been able to prove that!"

-Haha, oh, pagan god arguments...how I love you.

i giggled too!!

yet another cool review! =)

Date: 2010-10-21 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Thanks! Glad you liked it :)

Date: 2010-10-22 02:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trystan830.livejournal.com
welcome. =)

Date: 2010-10-21 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dairygirl.livejournal.com
I thought it was quite ballsy of Dean to tell Gabriel to kill his brother. Dean could not kill Sam so asking Gabriel to do something he could not? Not a stellar moment.

Minor nitpick: The fake angel sword was made out of Diet Orange Slice. I loved that little detail.

Date: 2010-10-21 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Oops, thanks! I had diet written in my notes, but I got so excited over theoretical physics that I forgot to type it in.

And yes, I agree about Dean chastising Gabriel with the "can't or won't" line...I mean, on the one hand, if anyone could call him on it - it's Dean...on the other hand, if there's anyone who shouldn't be calling him out over it - it's Dean.

Of course, one could argue that Lucifer is DEFINITELY evil, while Sam is not...even when Sam did evil things, he thought he was doing them to help people, not hurt people.

Date: 2010-10-22 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dairygirl.livejournal.com
You have a point with Lucifer's intent has little moral ground.

In the end, Gabriel did fight on his own terms and on the side of humans. Not only did he stand up to his brother and lose his life, but he was going to try to kill Lucifer despite his earlier shock over Dean pointing out the possibility. Here's hoping we might see him again.

Date: 2010-10-21 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baruchan.livejournal.com
Hah, this is the episode I want to hate, but can't. It's pretty awesome all in all, but I hated that Kripke et al ripped off Neil Gaiman yet again. And I don't get why the Kitchen God (or actually, all the gods for that matter) turned out to be cannibals. The showdown at the end was epic, though, as well as that porno. Gabester is awesome.

Date: 2010-10-21 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Well they aren't cannibals if their not human, but I get what you are saying...

My opinion is that only SOME of them were human-eaters. In the Supernatural universe pagan gods tend to rely on human sacrifices...and human sacrifices tend to eaten by them. I just remind myself that this is the SUPERNATURAL UNIVERSE (ie: Not ours.) So, where some of our pagan gods are happy benevolent vegans, in the Supernatural universe they might not be.

I'm so glad that I don't read Gaimon...I got kind of sick of that complaint (sorry). Firstly, if they did rip off Gaimon, it's only because it was a good idea and Gaimon is awesome and well loved by the Supernatural writers. Secondly, they are dealing with similar universes - in that, they are both writing in a universe where ALL GODS EXIST. It's pretty hard not to eventually cross paths in the ideas zone when that happens.

It's like the current lawsuit against JK Rowling. Some dude wrote a book called Willy the Wizard where Willy is a Wizard and participates in a 3 event competition...so dude is claiming Rowling stole the idea for Goblet of Fire. Now, let's think about this...you are both writing about wizards, three is a commonly used numerology for ANYTHING WRITTEN IN THE WESTERN WORLD...and CONTESTS ARE FUN! Also, let's say they both wrote about dragons...dude, DRAGONS ARE AWESOME and everyone knows that where there are wizards there are dragons - it's just common sense.

So, yeah...I'm sorry you got all annoyed at the Gaimon rip off, but them's the breaks.

Date: 2010-10-22 02:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] claudiapriscus.livejournal.com
You should read Neil Gaiman, he's awesome. (Seriously. I'm not a huge fan of American Gods because I'm a bit weak on my norse mythology, but Anansi Boys and Neverwhere remain some of my favorites).

And I think Supernatural is quite derivative of a handful of other works (not saying it's bad...but it's kinda more true than not.) But that's not the same thing as a direct rip-off. Hell, I'm pretty sure that 90% of their knowledge of the bible, the apocalypse, religion, mythologies, and folklore is all second hand. Pop culture osmosis.

That said, the single thing that irritated me most about this episode were all the complaints after the fact that it didn't rip Neil Gaiman (et al) off *enough*.

Okay, that's not how it was phrased, but remember all the complaints about how certain gods should have been more powerful due to having lots of followers, or that they should have fit the roles people envision for them.

And that bugged me because:
a) Supernatural has never shown itself to be a belief-powered 'verse. They introduced one monster that was created by belief, and it was supposed to be rare and unusual...while you had things like exorcisms working, regardless of who said them.

and b) Pagan gods in supernatural are canonically human-eating monsters. It's not a retcon, it's actual, honest-to-god (ha!) continuity.

Date: 2010-10-22 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Amen to all that!

Including Supernatural being derivative of a handful of other works...not as a bad thing. Even the writers talk about it, how their Lucifer is directly from Milton and "a handful of graphic novels." Not everything under the sun has to be 100% original. We'd get nowhere if people didn't play with each others ideas. Well, maybe not nowhere, but we'd certainly be missing out on a lot of great stuff!

I read Prachett (sp?) once I think...it was about Death being a woman. Anyway, reading Gaiman is on my to-do list, but it's not necessarily a priority on it. I will definitely keep it on there though. :)

Date: 2010-10-22 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] claudiapriscus.livejournal.com
More specifically, was it about a teenage girl who suddenly is Death's stand-in and Rock N' Roll to boot?

Because then that was definitely Pratchett. First book of his I ever read, but not probably his best. I love him to little pieces though. One of the few authors I'll buy hardcover.

Try "Guards, Guards!" or um... hmm..... ooh, Going Postal. That's one of my favorites.

Or check out the Sky One production of "the Hogfather"

Date: 2010-10-22 03:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
I think her name was Susan. I can't remember how old she was. I remember the book was very amusing though. I should look into whether these dudes have audiobooks...I consume audiobooks faster than I consume regular books.

Date: 2010-10-22 04:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] claudiapriscus.livejournal.com
oh yeah, they do! They're really good! Stephen Briggs is amazing! (seriously, try going postal.)

Date: 2010-10-22 04:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Will do! Hopefully my job remains such that I can easily divide my attention :)

Date: 2010-10-21 10:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] la-mariane.livejournal.com
Ok, when Kali takes Gabriel's blood, she says "You're bound to me, now and forever".....could...could this be a way to get Gabriel back? Please?... I want Gabriel back too...

Date: 2010-10-21 10:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
*hugs for Gabriel*

Maybe someday...

Date: 2010-10-22 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zestyzorra.livejournal.com
Hmm...can Gabriel CREATE matter? Or can he only change it?

I suspect he can only change it, but he has some serious abilities (i.e. the t.v. land he created in an old warehouse). It actually reminds me of Harry Potter, because doesn't that same rule apply? You can't create things out of nothing, you can only transfigure them?

Food for thought~ :)

Date: 2010-10-22 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
But in Harry Potter you can also CONJURE...anything but food, and umm...some other stuff, I guess. I don't know, they had a list of rules in Deathly Hallows, but I haven't read the whole thing in a bit. I should maybe get on that before the movie comes out.

But yes, fun to think about!

Date: 2010-10-22 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] borgmama1of5.livejournal.com
After the epic of 5.18 I found this episode a real letdown--it didn't feel like Sam and Dean did anything proactive in it.

On the other hand, the reason I can't completely dislike it is Gabriel. The show gave him such an epic heroic opportunity and finally I fell in love with his character. Only for him to die.

Date: 2010-10-22 02:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Yes, the problem with 5.18 was that after a pump-us-up-speech, it was really the Gabriel story - we were just observing through the eyes of the Winchesters, as they really couldn't do anything against the pagan gods anyway...and even the beginning was them falling into a trap.

"Let's go out and get them!" *runs ten feet and gets trapped in a cage, then must wait for awesome friend to save them.* "Ok! Let's go out and get them!"

Date: 2010-10-22 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] borgmama1of5.livejournal.com
You usually express things that I feel but can't quite put words to. Yes, the problem was the the boys were observers, not participants.

Thank you for helping me clarify.

Date: 2010-10-22 03:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ramblin-rosie.livejournal.com
*waves* Hi, long-time lurker, first-time commenter... and not a theoretical physicist (though I do have a chemistry degree), but here's my guess re: Gabester's ability to create, based on this (non-SPN) discussion (http://www.newadvent.org/summa/1044.htm#article2):
Going on the assumption that SPN-verse is a universe that God created, *probably* the underlying idea is either that primary matter is, like God and Death, one of those mysterious things that is uncreated and uncreatable (the Platonist/Aristotelian view) or that God alone has the power to create ex nihilo (the Judeo-Christian view). Either way, the laws of conservation of mass and energy apply; Gabriel may be able to do quite a lot of crazy things to both matter and space-time, even at the quantum level, but he can't create out of absolutely nothing. He is, as J. R. R. Tolkien puts it in "On Fairy-Stories (http://brainstorm-services.com/wcu-2004/fairystories-tolkien.pdf)," a sub-creator... just like humans.
--Not that I expect the writers to have put that much thought into the Diet Orange Slice bit, mind. It's a very funny line, delivered wonderfully by Richard, and that's probably why they went with it. Still, that's my best guess as to the assumption at work. (Note, too, that even Lucifer can't create demons out of whole cloth; he can only twist human souls until they become demonic.)

Date: 2010-10-22 03:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Hello lurker!! Nice to meet you!

Especially since you come using awesome terms like "ex nihilo" and providing neat links!

I think that describes Gabriel well...a sub-creator. That's a cool way to think about it, and it also satisfies the primary laws of conservation of mass and energy, which I love so much.

But yes, I am probably putting far more thought into this than the wriers...but what else is new? ;)

And awesome point about Lucifer not being a creator either. :)

Date: 2010-10-22 04:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ramblin-rosie.livejournal.com
:D Thank you! And hey, I'm not complaining about your analysis; overthinking is an academic's prerogative. ;)

Of course, now you've got me thinking about "Mystery Spot" and "Changing Channels" as Faƫrian Drama... hrm....

Date: 2010-10-22 04:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
That is never a bad thing! Write some crazy meta! :)


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