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I don't like fandom resurrection-petitions/campaigns, and I'll tell you why:

Fans like too many characters and shows would be no fun if the good guys never died.

After last week's episode, there's a petition out there to bring back Gabriel, but as Richard himself says: Gabriel had a great exit. Yes, I was as sad as anyone that the Gabester died. I loved the character in both his forms. But after the arch-angel reveal, could he have really gone back to his role as comedic-lesson-teaching-dubious-meddler? No. His role as a hilarity-inducing monster was at it's end. With Changing Channels, Gabriel lost his excuse for messing around - any time the Winchesters met him in the future, it'd be "dude, get the holy oil, Gabe's being a douche for absolutely no reason." The Trickster was supposed to mess with people for no reason other than his own amusement, but now that the Winchesters knew he was Gabriel, it would have always been "Why the heck are you messing with us?!"

The only role left for the Gabriel was that of an archangel - an archangel that had to choose sides. And he did, and it was brilliant, and he went out a hero. Even if they brought him back - he would still be ONLY an archangel. Like I said - there would not be a return to the Trickster. There would only be Gabriel the archangel. The Trickster died in Changing Channels.

But that's just one case. I also don't agree with fandom resurrection-petitions because, and I mean no offense by this: JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A FAN, DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN WRITE! Actually, because you are a fan, by definition, you should probably not write for the show.

Fans are too attached to everyone. They are far too emotionally involved in each character to see how a character's death serves the story-arc. (And I know Supernatural has an intelligent fan-base too, but just look at the knee-jerk reactions out there and tell me I'm wrong).

It's why, although Kripke seems to have done a good job of it so far, I actually don't like the idea of the writers reading the fan message boards. I've seen enough horrible fix-its and schmoopy AUs of how fans "wish it could have happened" to know that if it were up to the fans, no one would die except the bad guys and any girl who so much as touches either brother. How boring would that show be? Good characters dying drives the plot forward in heart-wrenching but necessarily emotional ways. Annoyingly evil characters surviving for extended periods of time *cough*Ruby*cough* also drive the plot forward in manipulative but necessarily evil ways.

And this is coming from someone who not only has a tendency to fall in love with the expendable crew-members on most shows, but also gets HEARTBROKEN when their favorite characters die. Seriously...I go through all stages of mourning.

The other problem with resurrection-petitions is that not everyone agrees on who they like. Everyone in Supernatural seems to like the character of Meg. Personally, I couldn't/can't stand her (exception was when she possessed Sam - that was cool). I was really happy when she wasn't around anymore. I don't mind so much that she's come back, but I still don't like her and I'm glad she's only shown up again twice. On the flipside (if there were such things as Death-petitions), you wouldn't have much of a S4 plot without Ruby. I loved Ruby for how questionable her motives were, how evil her little self-satisfied smirk was...I had to agree with her at the end, she WAS awesome. I actually think I developed a crush on Genevieve, just because she drove the plot so well (and seriously, her evil smirk is just amazing)...I am WELL aware of how much in the minority I am with those feelings. I would very much prefer to suffer at the whims of a capricious writer than to suffer at the hands of an overwhelmingly biased fandom. (Because, let's face it...would fandom hate Ruby/Gen as much if there had been no romantic connection with Sam/Jared? Wouldn't she have been another Meg character then? Meg...who fandom seems to adore at least in Nikki-form?)

The only reason I worry about certain deaths is the limitations it puts on the writers' sandbox...but again, the writers haven't disappointed me so far, so there's no reason for me to stop trusting them now. And having too much in the sandbox has always been more detrimental to creativity than having too little.


Date: 2010-04-27 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] claudiapriscus.livejournal.com
mostly I agree with you about..well...everything. Including fan petitions and involvement. But I would like to see Richard Speight back, partially because he was awesome...and partially because I love it when shows break the status quo. Not only with the Changing Channels reveal, but with the latest episode as well, they intimated some pretty fundamental changes to his character. It'd be cool to see a follow up on that. I mean, they created a character who ran away from what he was, forgot what he was, and then at the very end decided to stop. I understand why they had to kill him - well, why it was easier to do so, anyway, but it kind of amounts to a return to the status quo. I'd like to see the consequences, i'd like to see what it means. I wouldn't mind finding out who Gabriel, the Archangel really is.

Which is kind of why I've found a lot of the fix-its so very unsatisfying.

Date: 2010-04-27 10:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Oh, I'd like to see him back too! Don't get me wrong. I just meant that his time as the Trickster is over.

I fully think they COULD bring Richard back as Gabriel. After all, Gabriel is a pretty major archangel to just take out of the universe completely. The way I see it - it could be that after the apocalypse, God could bring Gabriel back (perhaps?) and we could explore the character of Gabriel more.

And I'd be happy if they did that, but I'd also be alright if they never did. I'm not signing any petitions either way. ;)

Date: 2010-04-28 12:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dairygirl.livejournal.com
When I saw the episode and the confrontation that resulted in Gabriel's death, I was upset. However, I also realized that not only the bad guys (e.g., Zachariah) die in war. While I think the character development was great (he came out on the side of humanity and stood up to his brother), Gabriel did go out with the kind of drama a Trickster could appreciate. Plus, the epilogue of his DVD again touched on his Loki side while giving the Winchesters their next point of attack.

I too would love to see more of Gabriel, but with a show dealing with the end of the world, good and bad guys are dealing with life and death reality. My prediction--this is not the last death fans will be upset about.

My feeling is a petition to bring back a character falters in the face of the driving story line. The reaction does show how invested people are in a show about two brothers as well as the other characters that populate its universe.

Date: 2010-04-28 01:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
True, the petitions do have the side-effect of showing how invested people are in the show - I just think it's a uselessly confrontational (and complainy) way to show interest.

Date: 2010-04-28 06:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kairia.livejournal.com
While it's amazing that a character that only appeared in four episodes, could gain so much popularity - I'm with you, I feel bringing Gabriel back would screw up the show especially since the main storyline will be wrapped up this season. Sam and Dean won't have any grand destiny to carry out or angels to say 'yes' so what would Gabriel do? Also, as [livejournal.com profile] dairygirl pointed out, Gabriel's death gave the Winchesters their next point of attack. I was sad to see him go but at least I wasn't angry as I was when Ellen and Jo died. And right now, I'm more worried about Cas dying rather than focusing on Gabe.

(Because, let's face it...would fandom hate Ruby/Gen as much if there had been no romantic connection with Sam/Jared? Wouldn't she have been another Meg character then? Meg...who fandom seems to adore at least in Nikki-form?)
Bingo. I didn't like Gen as much as I liked Katie but I was really put off by fandom's reaction to her death and the GIF floating around, was just plain disturbing.

Date: 2010-04-28 07:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Sam and Dean won't have any grand destiny to carry out or angels to say 'yes' so what would Gabriel do?
Exactly. Gabriel could come back, but the truth of the matter is that he'd have no role left - because the Trickster was the only form that could recur and have it make sense. But the Trickster hasn't existed since Changing Channels. I'm not sure the fandom realized it at the time, but the reveal of the Trickster being Gabriel basically wrote the Trickster out of the show 11 episodes ago. Gabriel's death was tragic in his own storyline, and of course I'm sad to see him go, but his ability to be written back into future storylines was extremely limited, so I wasn't really surprised.

Characters like Cas, Bobby, Ellen, and Jo, though have/had limitless potential for being in future storylines, which is why I worry/am more upset at the thought of their deaths.

I was really put off by fandom's reaction to her death and the GIF floating around, was just plain disturbing.
Same here, when it comes to the Ruby&Gen, that's when I want to disassociate myself from the fandom the most. I just don't understand people's logic when it comes to that whole situation.

Date: 2010-04-28 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trystan830.livejournal.com
a-men!

the writers have a plot in mind, and in this case, there's going to be some deaths - some of characters that people don't like, some of characters that people do... and some characters that people didn't when they were on screen and now that they're gone they miss them.

seeing that this is Supernatural, and we've seen Ash and Pamela again, who's to say that Gabe won't pop up some how in some other place? *hee*

Date: 2010-04-28 08:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
seeing that this is Supernatural, and we've seen Ash and Pamela again, who's to say that Gabe won't pop up some how in some other place? *hee*

It's true! Just because someone is dead, doesn't mean they can't return! The only thing that has prevented a character returning so far is a burgeoning movie-career for the actor (I'm looking at you JDM!)

Date: 2010-04-28 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] trystan830.livejournal.com
heheh yep!

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