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Oh man, that was basically another mid-season finale right there...

So, uh, standard rules apply, blah blah blah... let's just jump into the episode...

Firstly, Phil Sgriccia has been switching up his directorial style. I noticed with the last episode he directed too - he had a few odd shots, during that episode, I wasn't sure whether I liked them or not. I will say with this episode, I LOVED most all of his directorial choices and thought they were fantastic and really added something to the episode. The only thing I didn't like so much was the extended "hand-held" shot before Dean went into see Cain. Maybe it's because I suffer from motion sickness, but long wobbly shots tend to put me off.

The beginning though, was AMAZING!!! The MUSIC! The way the tapping on the doors fit with the beat of the song, and then when Cain came in, the rattling of the chains did the same... really well done, and the lighting was brilliant.

And Asian prison guard! Woot! He was awesome.

The murderer-guy (Tommy?) he has SUCH a Canadian accent though, unless I'm insane.... but seriously, he sounded so Canadian to me that he might as well have been one of the Kids in the Hall. I don't know if they have bit-cast up on IMDB, but if that guy isn't Canadian, then he should think of moving here, because his accent would fit right in.

Anyway, that whole sequence was amazing... how menacing Cain was, the delivery of the line "I bet your wondering if I've come to save you or kill you - the answer is... both." Oh man, Timothy Omundson is PHENOMENAL.

And then we get the Winchesters driving to the prison - and we find out that Sam is a "True Crime" geek and knows how many people different serial killers killed... Was it Sam who recognized the name back in No Exit? I'm totally going to look that up right now...Yup! It totally was! Dean knew he was too, but Sam was the one that recognized his real name.

ANnnnnnnnnnyway...I loved the filming from the backseat. Really cool.

We get to the prison and Dean recognizes Cain on the surveillance. They call Cas and Cas has found a mass graveyard...

OH! I forgot a scene! Cas was totally torturing a demon for information on Cain, and he got some, and then killed the demon. Cool stuff.

But yeah, the demon's intell, leads Cas to a mass graveyard - oddly, still with individual graves. I guess Cain hasn't gone so far as to great mass graves... even though that's kind of way more efficient in terms of burying space.

I'm not going to lie, I was pretty frightened for Cas when Cain showed up, and I was worried when Cas said "I'll call you back" instead of telling Dean what was going on or where he was, because what if Cas needed a rescue?! It doesn't come to that though. Cain asks after Dean, and without Cas even saying anything, Cain concludes that Dean's not doing so well.

That was another thing I loved about this episode - the fact that Robert Berens didn't forget that he has a cast who is VERY VERY good at communicating solely through facial expression... and I love that he USES this in several different ways in the episode. It's brilliant - or maybe I love how the actors use their ability to enrich the script themselves... either way, I love it. I don't know how these things get decided, but I'm thankful that they do!

Cain departs with some ominous words, which I totally forget. And Cas goes back to the bunker to report to the Winchesters... it's not good news. Oh! I remember now - Cain tells Cas that Dean is on his list too.

Basically, Cain is killing all of his decendents, which we know from S5 includes the Winchesters (eventually). We don't actually know what family line is Cains, but my headcanon is that it's the Campbells.

(Holy crap, I'm so sleepy right now, you guys... I really hope I can make it the rest of the way through this Quick Reaction - please forgive me if it's sloppier than usual).

Sam does a quick search and discovers that the murderer Tommy has a illegitimate estranged son named...uh, something? Maybe HIS name was Tommy, who knows. No, it was Austin. Okay, so Sam and Dean figure that they a)have to save 12 year-old innocent Austin from being kills by Cain, and b)have to stop Cain from his genocidal plans, and c)this means that Dean has to do it because only the First Blade+MoC can kill Cain.

This means that Dean has to call Crowley.

Crowley, meanwhile, has been busy being manipulated by his mother - who wants him to go after the witch that is out to get her. Dean's call interrupts their planning.. and Dean explains about Cain, and how it's in Crowley's best interest to help him kill Cain, since Crowley is also on Cains list. Now, here, I KNEW Dean was lying, because he made the "wow, that actually worked!" face after Crowley agreed.

That being said, I loved the reveal later that he was lying, because basically Crowley had an ENTIRE EPISODE of people doing nothing but manipulate him.

Okay, back to the plan... Sam's super nervous about it all, because Dean might not come back from this fight - or he might not come back as Dean, but rather Demon!Dean or something worse. Cas is also super nervous... Crowley's super nervous that Dean will turn around and kill him after or something.

Dean and Sam get their goodbye talk, similar to one of Dean's going-out speeches in S3...where he admits that he's scared. He admits that last week when he said that he would go out swinging, he honestly thought he would have more time than this.

Anyway, Cain shows up, and they use a magic trick to lure him into a devil's trap - I didn't see the illusion of the kid coming, even though Crowley and his mother had been talking about it - so that was fun! I was super nervous about Sam being so close to Cain, since Sam is totally on Cain's list - but thankfully, Cain is in the devil's trap and Sam is outside of it.

One of my friends didn't believe that Cain could be held by a devil's trap - but then it occured to me that Cain didn't have anyone to cure him of demonhood like Dean did... so Cain, despite never flashing his eyes, was probably a demon... albeit a strong one, and I don't think we've seen a single demon that can walk out of a devil's trap without cracking it first. Even Cain says that it won't hold him for long though... which means that he CAN eventually get out of it.

Then Dean goes in ... and makes everyone promise that if they need to, they'll take him out. Crowley is like "how can I be sure that you'll give me back the Blade?" and Dean is like "if I don't, you'll have other problems."

And then the big showdown happens.

We learn that Cain is indeed killing all his descendents - because they're all CAPABLE of murder... they can all go both ways on the issue, even the 12 year-old kid. Cain sees it as him doing everyone a favour - that atoning for what he brought into the world (murder) means killing all the POTENTIAL murderers, and that the world is a better place without people like Tommy...or DEAN. Now, I'd argue on that last one - yes, technically, Dean's a murderer, but he only murders murderers - so, very much like the title of the episode, Dean is an executioner, not a murderer. And the world DEFINITELY not be a better place without Dean (or Sam - since he's also a descendent of Cain).

The fight is fantastic. It would have been cool to have a few more wider shots on the hand-to-hand, but that's me being picky. Eventually, Cain just starts throwing Dean around demon-style. The first time Dean was thrown outside the devils' trap, we all breathed a sigh of relief, because we weren't sure about that....

Then Cain reveals that Dean is him in reverse - that Dean is becoming Cain backwards, that he gets the Mark, and then he'll soon start killing people closer and closer to him, until he eventually kills his own brother. Cain claims that first he'll kill Crowley, which he'll be conflicted about, and then he'll kill Castiel, which will hurt...and then Sam. Needless to say, Dean does not like this destiny at all.

Eventually, Dean drops the blade, and Cain explains that really, this was all part of a trap so that he could get his hands on it again - in short order, Cain has it to Dean's throat. In true Dean fashion though, he manages to crap Cain' knife and use it to lop off Cain's right hand! Yikes! That's one way to disarm someone, I guess... haha... ha.

And Dean's able to get the blade, and Cain recognizes the defeat and bares the back of his neck to Dean... and we see Dean deliver the killing blow, but we don't actually see it strike home, or Cain's dead body afterward.... which, of course, leaves me nervous, because if shows don't show you a dead body, it's sometimes because there isn't one. But... I kind of WANT Cain to be dead...

Of course, Metatron's words from last week about the cure for the MoC coming from the "source"..., well, obviously the source isn't Cain, so, that leaves Lucifer? Or possibly God?

Dean stumbles out of the room to his nervous friends and temporary ally. Crowley asks for the Blade, and Dean holds it out to be taken - but he holds it out for Castiel to take. Crowley accuses him of lying, and Dean admits that it wasn't the first time today - that he lied earlier too. Which means that Crowley's mother was right about the Winchester's using him (just like she's using him.) But I mean, Crowley basically ONLY uses the Winchesters, so is he really going to get all hurt feelings over being treated the same way? I'm not sure what he was expecting... but then, it's hard to tell what's going on with Crowley these days, ever since the S8 finale, he's been a bit scattered.

And then we get Sam and Dean hugs...or, maybe just Sam catching Dean when he collapses... and Sam just repeats how Dean did it, and he's fine, and everything will be okay... meanwhile, Dean is hugging his brother who he was just told he will eventually kill. Sad times forever (and reminiscent of S2.)

During the next commercial break, one of my friends was wondering if Cain even COULD be killed, because traditionally (or, by some traditions, at least) Cain is immortal. BUT, SPN implied heavily that the First Blade+MoC was the only thing that could kill Cain, and technically, since someone else with the MoC has to exist for that to happen "Cain" as an entity still exists - it just means that DEAN is "Cain" now. The question remains though - is he doomed to be Cain forever? A constant cycle of remission and relapse, like Cain pessimistically tells him - or is there a way for him to stop being Cain besides passing on the MoC himself and getting the next "Cain" to kill him. Unless, of course, my friend is right, Cain can't really die, and he's not really dead!  Who knows!

The final scene is Sam desperately trying to be optimistic with Dean, who looks very grey and shattered, but smiles along and agrees with everything Sam says. Cas comes in and tells them he hid the Blade somewhere safe... and Dean goes to bed....

And Cas asks Sam how Dean is really doing.... and I love love love that when the camera focuses back on Sam, you see that he's near tears, as he tells Cas that Dean's in trouble. I just love that the final scene is completely about what's being communicated through expressions rather than words and how after this many years, Sam no longer false for Dean's false humouring agreeing optimism.... and Cas knows the real person to ask about Dean's well being is Sam, not Dean himself. And I love that Sam has someone he can lean on in Cas, that he's not completely alone in trying to help Dean.

And MAN, I can't believe the next episode isn't until March 18th!!! Oh man... it really was like another finale. It destroyed me!

Okay, so, I'm super sleepy and I'm going to leave it there - but please feel free to leave comments with anything you want to discuss further (or for the first time, if I missed talking about it.)


Date: 2015-02-18 08:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strgazr04.livejournal.com
"so Cain, despite never flashing his eyes, was probably a demon"

Just to nail this point home even further, last season when Dean was in the dungeon room at the bunker coughing up blood after being away from the Blade, Crowley told Dean that it was because he was human and that Cain didn't go through physical withdrawals because he was a demon and thus his 'body' could withstand it.

Now back to tonight's episode. When Dean leaves to go to bed and pats Cas on the back, did you catch that look on his face? That close up shot had to mean something. He looked almost pissed off and very demon!Dean like. It reminded me back when we had souless!Sam before Dean knew he was missing his soul and Sam was still pretending he was his regular self. There was a scene on a staircase where Dean asks if Sam's ok and if his heart is still in it or something to that effect. Sam swears he's fine and Dean nods and leaves. The minute Sam walks passed him, his face goes from innocent puppy!Sam to stonefaced souless!Sam. I think that's what this was. Dean had his walls up and was putting on the "I'm totally fine" act in front of Cas and Sam but the minute their backs are turned...

Well the shit is about to hit the fan. That's for sure. I think now that Dean's killed with the blade again, he's opened up another can of worms. This is the first time he's used the blade since Sam cured him right?

Date: 2015-02-18 08:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Oooooooooooo....interesting thoughts. And yeah, this is the first time he's used the Blade since Sam cured him.

Oh man, I really hope Dean isn't faking it - I took the look after leaving the room as just being DONE, and being hopeless and pessimistic about the future. But who knows...

I don't want him to be faking it though, I mean, I don't want him to be a demon again and be putting on a show of being human for Sam. That would just make me sick inside.

Back to the other topic - good callback to the fact that Crowley confirmed that Cain was already a demon when he used the blade, so didn't suffer withdrawal. I wonder if that means Dean is going to stop coughing up blood again (if it isn't the other option and he's reverted already.)

Date: 2015-02-18 09:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strgazr04.livejournal.com
I'm not sure I want him to revert back either. I'd actually almost prefer that he just be more pissy and more prone to anger or something, if anything at all. Like a guy who needs some serious anger management but still has regret after the rage blows over. It would almost be a role reversal from the whole soul less Sam thing where Dean was Sam's conscious at the time. Now it would be Sam's turn. I have to say I just love when Sam gets to sorta be the big brother. Dean needs that nurturing sometimes.

As for coughing up blood, I'll be very confused if they don't bring that back or at least explain it. I know some people didn't understand why Dean wasn't going through withdrawals the minute Crowley hid the blade. I always assumed it was because he hadn't killed using it once cured. But now that he has, maybe the blade will start demanding to be used again thus causing Dean physical withdrawals again.

Date: 2015-02-18 04:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Yeah, that's kind of what I want too.

I guess we'll just have to see if they bring up the physical withdrawal symptoms too... mind you, it occurs to me that if there IS something weird going on with Cain's offstage death, maybe Dean didn't actually use the Blade to kill, and the lack of physical withdrawal symptoms might be a sign of that... so, that could be also something to consider when they start moving forward.

Date: 2015-02-19 01:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] strgazr04.livejournal.com
Maybe something is fishy idk. But you do hear the blade pierce flesh and see Dean stab with it. When he pulls it out and later hands it to Cas, it's covered in blood which it wasn't when Cain was holding it as he never cut Dean with it.

Date: 2015-02-19 01:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Yeah, that was something that someone else pointed out today. I'm not the best at catching sound and blood details on my first watch, I guess!! :P

Date: 2015-02-18 10:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] frozen_delight
Feeling just as destroyed... you're so right to call it another mid-season finale.
How are we supposed to survive the next four weeks???

Date: 2015-02-18 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
I have no idea!! Oh man... such a long wait!

Date: 2015-02-18 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raloria.livejournal.com
Of course, Metatron's words from last week about the cure for the MoC coming from the "source"..., well, obviously the source isn't Cain, so, that leaves Lucifer? Or possibly God?

Good point. I originally thought Metatron was referring to Cain, but I guess that's out now. But Lucifer makes much more sense since he's the one who cave Cain the mark in the first place. Oooooh, a return of Lucifer. That would be cool!

I too, am questioning if Cain is really dead though, since Abaddon died with all that light and everything and this time there was none of that, and they didn't show the actual blow, just the start of it. I suspect something sneaky is going on. We'll have to wait and see.

Date: 2015-02-18 04:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Yes... and as Strgazr04 points out above, last time Dean had health problems after using the Blade while not a demon...physical withdrawal symptoms. So, if he's used the Blade now again, those might come back.. and if they don't, that might be a sign that he didn't actually use it? Or, maybe not? Who knows! It's going to be a long 4 weeks either way.

But yes, I'm very interested in where the cure lies, if it's not with Cain.

Date: 2015-02-18 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cappy712.livejournal.com
Great review - even with you being sleepy.

I really did enjoy the camera moves too.

As for Crowley being manipulated - yeah he is at least he said it and his mother confirmed it. We've known for years that he has been using the Winchesters when he can for what he needs; they had to for reasons also. As Dean put it with Meg - mutually assured destruction.

I'm concerned about Sam - one of the things that I was concerned about at the mid-season finale was Dean using the blade on Sam and with what Cain said about Dean living his life in reverse - that was surprising. Not sure how I feel about it and what this all means but still, concerned.

Looking forward to March 18th - man can't believe there is a 4 week break but then again, hey at least it's only 4 weeks. Time for reading. Thank you for sharing.

Hope you are rested and refreshed today.

Date: 2015-02-18 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Yeah, I was happy that Crowley at least knew he was being manipulated by his mother - it's hard to figure out how much Crowley knows and what he doesn't, and what comes as a surprise and what doesn't - and whether he's allowing himself to be manipulated or whether he's actually being manipulated.

I'm also worried about Sam!

It's going to be a long wait, I feel like we JUST got back from a long wait too. But hey, at least I can get a bit of sleep on Tuesdays now. ;)

And yeah, I'm feeling better after resting for 7 hours. I'll sleep well tonight too, I'm sure. :)

Date: 2015-02-18 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thursdaysisters.livejournal.com
the fact that Robert Berens didn't forget that he has a cast who is VERY VERY good at communicating solely through facial expression

YES the quiet moments were fantastic and tense and OMG that last bit with Sam *ded*

Date: 2015-02-18 04:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Oh man, YES! So good.

Date: 2015-02-18 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] borgmama1of5.livejournal.com
Emotionally exhausted...and thinking to where it looks like this is going--Dean killing Sam--I'm really, really, nervous...

Date: 2015-02-18 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Same!! I am even using my Worried!Sam icon for all my comments this week! :P

Date: 2015-02-19 12:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] katsheswims.livejournal.com
It was a good episode. I too noticed a lot of the unique camera angles. I liked the ones from the backseat, and during the Cain & Dean fight I would have liked more wide angles like you.

I wasn't sure if Dean actually stabbed/killed Cain since they didn't show it, but when Dean pulled his arm up there was a sound effect implying he was pulling the knife out of Cain's body...so I think Cain is dead.

I'm really not sure where they are going with how to heal Dean...Looking forward to finding out!

Date: 2015-02-19 12:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Oh cool, I'll have to keep my ears out for sound effects on the re-watch. Sometimes I don't notice them on my original watch through - I'm not sure if it's the settings on my friend's TV or if I'm just not very audibly observant. :P

Date: 2015-02-19 02:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowsong26.livejournal.com
Wow. I...uh...I don't actually have a lot of Shadowsong Pretends She's Smart things to say about this episode. It was just...it was, okay?

The beginning of this episode was ABSOLUTELY AMAZING and is it just me or is off-the-wagon!Cain with his magical hair and that super-calm voice and all of the elegant savagery kind of hot...?

Also, you're right that the murderer's accent was very Canadian.

It pleased me ridiculously that Sam is a true crime geek because I am one too. Every so often I'll go on a kick where I read a bunch of books about serial killers...

That being said, I loved the reveal later that he was lying, because basically Crowley had an ENTIRE EPISODE of people doing nothing but manipulate him.

Y'know, that's really cool, and it exponentially increases my interest in Crowley's recent plotlines...because Crowley is the master manipulator (I still love that 'sold sin to saints for centuries' line) and now the tables have turned, not just from his mother who he never trusted anyway but from Dean, who is pretty dependably straight-forward most of the time? I really want to see where things are going with this...

OH MY GOD THAT FIGHT WAS AWESOME. Especially the literal disarming oh man

Of course, Metatron's words from last week about the cure for the MoC coming from the "source"..., well, obviously the source isn't Cain, so, that leaves Lucifer? Or possibly God?

I have to say, I'm still leaning towards Lucifer, and, granted, a large part of that is because I really want to be right about something and have a pet theory about how, but a) Cain specifically mentions Lucifer here, and we're circling back to S1-5 plots/issues/concerns in a lot of ways, and b) this seems to be the season of Shit Comes Back to Haunt You? Like...Crowley has Rowena, Cas has Claire, Dean has the 'kill Sam' sword hanging over him again, the books made a direct reappearance...it only makes sense that Lucifer would come back to haunt them. Especially with the information from last season about recorder!vessels and (pet theory alert because Sam's is obvs long gone) bits of Grace left in a vessel...Anyway, God has never been a (major) direct player, eventual reveal about Chuck and Joshua's claims in Dark Side of the Moon notwithstanding. While it would be sort of cool, it feels like Lucifer would be way more thematically appropriate/has been built up/hinted/foreshadowed better.

That's a really cool thought thread, about Cain's immortality and maybe Cain being a legacy rather than direct/traditional immortality now...

And...oh, man, that ending. That ending.

You're right, it feels like another mid season finale...TBH, it felt more like a mid-season finale than the actual mid-season finale did, at least to me? Even though they ended on super-similar notes...IDK.

I don't wanna wait four weeks for what happens next...::pouts::

Date: 2015-02-19 06:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
but from Dean, who is pretty dependably straight-forward most of the time? I really want to see where things are going with this...

It's really interesting, because I think Crowley has come to depend on the fact that the Winchesters never manipulate back - they'll deal and they'll blackmail, but they never manipulate. They're usually extremely straight-forward and honest about their intentions - Crowley's claimed in the past that he's the only one that never underestimates the Winchesters, but I think he actually did in this case... he got used to their honesty and underestimated their ability to use that against him,

Anyway, God has never been a (major) direct player, eventual reveal about Chuck and Joshua's claims in Dark Side of the Moon notwithstanding. While it would be sort of cool, it feels like Lucifer would be way more thematically appropriate/has been built up/hinted/foreshadowed better.

I don't think it'll be God either - at least, I hope now. Supernatural has always been a humanist universe and I don't want that to change. Lucifer would be interesting, though I kind of like the fact that they've managed to get away from him since S8, so I'd worry about regressing to some sort of "trying to recapture the old days" vibe on the show... I just like it that sometimes they can defeat enemies and NOT revisit them. But, you do have a point about the theme this year being about Shit Comes Back to Haunt You.

So, we'll see.

That's a really cool thought thread, about Cain's immortality and maybe Cain being a legacy rather than direct/traditional immortality now...

Yeah, I know there are many who interpret the bible versus that way too. (I've never actually read them myself, but I've read ABOUT them.)

Date: 2015-02-19 02:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] supernutjapan.livejournal.com
Awesome episode. So many feels!

They really should have showed the kill if he really killed Cain. I have no idea why they wouldn't. You could hear the sound of the blade twisting and him jerking it out of Cain but still.... why not show it right? So, still am skeptic a little. Wondering if maybe he did something with the blade to immobilize him or something.

I don't think Dean is going to "sleep for 5 days" like he said. I wonder if he's going to be able to sleep at all. And I wonder what he is thinking because that face while he was walking out was rather scary.

Cain is totally hot and all kinds of awesome.

Date: 2015-02-19 06:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
It'll be a long four week wait to get answers!!

REALLY good episode though.


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