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I'm stealing this from franztastisch, because I'm procrastinating doing my next SPN rewatch (which I promise I WILL totally do after this and it will be posted tomorrow.)

So, 10 favourite characters (in no particular order):

1. Matt Fraction's Clint Barton/Hawkeye - It's an amazing comic and I love it, and I love the way Clint comes across in it. I love the way he's just trying to make it through the day. I'd say Clint Barton in general, but I've really only ever read Fraction's Clint, and we've barely seen Clint in the Marvel movies, so I can't comment on whether I like him just as much - but maybe I'll know after Age of Ultron comes out.

2. Sam and Dean Winchester - (Yes, I'm puting them together) - Sam's a hard character to like, because he doesn't wear his motivations on his sleeve like Dean does, and because of the writer turnover and the length of the show, Sam can sometimes be written inconsistantly... and even when Kripke was in charge, he'd sometimes forget about Sam (which he has since admitted - saying that he had so much fun exploring Dean's grief in S2, that he completely forgot that Sam had also lost his father.) I think because of that, Sam's become a character who is extremely internal, and you're never quite sure what's going on with him... and oddly enough, that kinda makes him more fascinating. He's at the same time the Winchester who is the most willing to talk about feelings, but also the Winchester that is the most emotionally guarded. I fell in love with Dean first though, when I started watching the show. He's the type of character that you connect with immediately. Or, at least I do... he's an older brother who is fiercely protective. He's got so many self-esteem issues that he wouldn't last two steps in the Swamp of Sadness. He loves his family. He wants to save people... he's self-sacrificing to a fault. And he really loves dominant women, I mean, what's not to like?

3. Remus Lupin - I'm not going to lie, I was just trying to think that there must be SOME Harry Potter character that was my favourite... and although in terms of the Myers Brigg Test, I'm actually Harry (ISTP). If I were to pick a favourite character from the franchise, it'd be Remus. Firstly, I have a thing for werewolves, and secondly I have a thing for dualistic characters. Man/Wolf, Scholar/Warrior, *cough*bisexual*cough*...  Sirius was also a dualistic character, but that was because he was a hypocrite, which, though also interesting, isn't quite like Remus, who was aware of his dual nature. Plus, his name is practically Wolf Wolf. Wolf Wolf and Dog Black, BFFs 4eva.

4. Zuko - None of you should be surprised. I just love Zuko so much. He's the biggest goddamn dork... who also happens to be an extremely deadly victim of child abuse who actually LEARNS AND GROWS as a person rather than just remain an angry villain who uses their tragic backstory as an excuse to be a shithead.

5. Derek Hale - okay, so Teen Wolf is the kind of show that is super frustrating, because there is SO MUCH POTENTIAL FOR AWESOME, but because the writers are plot-driven rather than character-driven, barely any potential gets realized. One such potential is exploring what it means to be a born-werewolf. They never actually do this to the degree that I'd like - but I love thinking about just how different Derek's experience of the world is, of himself is, because he has never been human. "The wolf" isn't a separate being then him, it is, and always has been, also him. Secondly, like Zuko, Derek could easily use his tragic backstory (and, my god, is it ever tragic) to justify becoming an evil bastard... I mean, that's what Peter did (even though evidence points to Peter being evil BEFORE the tragic backstory)... but nope. One of the first things he does in the show, even before we realize how significant it is, is that he drives Allison home so that she'll be safe. Only shitty things ever happen to Derek (until he starts dating Braeden anyway) and yet he only ever continues to try to do what is best for everyone and to try to protect as many people as he can.

6. Orson from Record of Lodoss War - okay, this is going way back, and obscure, but I have to mention my first love. Orson from RoLW was a berserker who carried a huge sword. He did things like kill guards before the rest of his team could even start thinking of another way to get around them, and then he'd just say "they were in our way" as an explanation. He had absolutely no emotions...except that he loved his traveling companion.... which, of course, led to the most tragic death ever. I really do love emotionaless characters who kill without remorse.

7. Shikamaru - yes, from Naruto - no one had ever quite captured what I was like as a teenager until Shikamaru came along.

8. Braeden - because I need more ladies on this list. Another Teen Wolf character, so I doubt I'll ever see her full potential either - but I love her anyway. I love her scars. I love her attitude. I love her Italian boots. I love her taste in men.

9. Steve Rogers - MCU - I've talked about this elsewhere, but I was completely wrong in what I thought Captain America was... or it's just these movies, I don't know. But I love that Steve Rogers isn't about American Patriotism(tm) as we know it. Some people might yell at me for this interpretation, but I'm just telling you why *I* love Steve Rogers... it's because, when it comes down to it, Steve hates America. Steve WANTS to love his country. He wants his country to be awesome, full of freedom, justice - the kind of country that looks after its citizens and tries to make the world a better place.... but, fundamentally, Steve recognizes that that's not what America is at all, and he HATES that. His solution, of course, is to try to make it better, because he's an optimist like that and believes that he's not the only one who wants it to be better than it is. But yeah, speaking as someone who lives next to America, I get really really sick of American Patriotism that completely ignores what a shit-hole the country actually is. And I'm not saying this as someone who thinks their country is perfect - Canada is a shithole too. It's just a different sort of shithole. On a completely unrelated note: I really want Steve to be bisexual. Oh, and I should say, that what I love about Steve is that not only is America not perfect, but neither is Steve... he's not some goody-two-shoes virginal saint... he's a little angry guy who picks fights in back alleys because he's got something to prove, and his friends are constantly like "goddamn it, Steve!" and he's basically a sarcastic little shit.

...I feel like I should pick another woman, but I very rarely connect with women in stories... unless their "masculinized" and that's fairly rare for a show, movie or book to do... I mean, there are a lot of female character that I like - Natasha Romanoff, Charlie Bradbury, Peggy Carter, Jody Mills, Lydia Martin... but I wouldn't necessarily say they were my FAVOURITE... So....

10. The older brother in Alaistar MacLeod's novel No Great Mischief, because we are all better people when we are loved.

And I just realized that I didn't mention anyone from Leverage, but I would never be able to choose between Parker, Elliot, or Hardison anyway.

Okay, I swear I'll do a rewatch now and have it up by tomorrow...

Date: 2015-02-25 06:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metallidean-grl.livejournal.com
I enjoyed your thoughts about Sam. Over the years Sam has been a character that is hard to like for me as well, because I always felt he was a spoiled man acting out in many ways, especially when it came to his father. He was protected and coddled a lot of his life and that has come out in characteristics that I haven't liked in many of the episodes. S2 did deal more with Dean's grief than Sam's, and it is interesting that Kripke admitted to not handling that as well as he should have. I didn't really think much of it at the time because I always felt that John and Dean were closer, so of course, Dean would be acting out more with John's death than Sam would. But then again, Sam's last words to his father were those of anger, so there could have been a lot to explore for Sam in S2 had they gone that route at all. It has just been harder for me to like Sam because he isn't Dean. Crazy, I know. But, what I mean by that is that he doesn't seem to appreciate or give Dean credit enough for all that Dean has done for him and sacrificed for him. It is only this year that I have grown to appreciate and love Sam more than any of the other seasons combined because he is finally seeing and understanding what Dean has done for him, and finally reciprocating some of that understanding and love. These two have really been on a journey, haven't they.

Most of your other characters I am not familiar with. Of course, there is Derek Hale. I absolutely adore him. I wish they would utilize him more in the show and dig deeper into his character. There is so much there to be mined. But, like you said, this show isn't as much a character driven show as it is a plot-driven show. Although they do seem to deal more characterizations of the two main guys (their names escape me right now).

This is an interesting meme. This is something interesting to explore. I might have to do this one myself. But, I'm not sure I have 10 favorite characters that I could list.

Date: 2015-02-25 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
But, what I mean by that is that he doesn't seem to appreciate or give Dean credit enough for all that Dean has done for him and sacrificed for him. It is only this year that I have grown to appreciate and love Sam more than any of the other seasons combined because he is finally seeing and understanding what Dean has done for him, and finally reciprocating some of that understanding and love.

It's funny, because I hear a lot of Dean!girls say this - and yet, I don't see it. I think, as I mentioned above, that Sam has ALWAYS seen and understood what Dean has done for him on some level. He has always loved and appreciated Dean, always been devoted to him... but he doesn't express it like Dean expressed his love for Sam. We can see Dean's love and appreciation easier, because it comes out in more maternal ways - protective and nurturing. Sam, I'd argue, loves Dean the way you love someone who you know you don't have to coddle. I guess that's the difference, just as you say, Dean is used to coddling Sam, even though Sam hates being coddled... and we can recognize that coddling comes from a place of love. Sam's love for Dean is shown through respect and devotion... much like we saw in AVSC, it's the kind of love that Sam WOULD have given John, if John had been around more and more honest with Sam.

It's only been in recent seasons that it's grown more into the kind of love that siblings have for each other - as Dean has learned to stop coddling Sam so much, and Sam has learned more about WHY Dean acts the way he does and in the process also has begun to see Dean just as a brother and not also a secondary parental figure. (Even looking at the parallels shown to us - in S5, Dean&Sam were paralleled with Ellen&Jo... since then, they've been paired more and more with other sibling stories, rather than parent&child stories).

Anyway, about Sam's grief - I think that's part of the reason that we got the scene between Sam and Young!John in TSRTS, because Kripke probably wanted to show that Sam had also been working through stuff - coming to understand why John behaved the way he did - and that Sam could find closure for his grief by telling him that Sam forgave him and loved him, even though Young!John didn't know Sam was talking about him and Young!John couldn't give Sam any returning words of understanding or forgiveness.

Two main guys on Teen Wolf: Scott and Stiles. But yeah, Derek is the best.

It was HARD to think of ten characters, and then I thought of MORE than ten and had to edit, and that was also super hard. :P

Date: 2015-02-25 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metallidean-grl.livejournal.com
Heh heh.......you make an interesting point regarding Sam. Yes, I guess we Dean!girls do kinda think that he would be and react towards Dean like Dean does towards him. I am sure that Sam is just as devoted to Dean, he just shows it in a different way. Although, there are sometimes I have questioned that devotion, i.e., Season 9 anybody??? All that aside, I am just really loving this season in that we are getting to see a more reactive and demonstrative Sam where it comes to Dean. Sam is a little more overt in his love and concern towards Dean than he has been in past seasons.

That is an interesting parallel between Dean/San and Ellen/Jo. Which is why maybe Dean and Ellen had a stronger connection that Sam/Ellen. And maybe that is why Jo flirted more with Dean as well, because maybe deep down she was more attracted to that fatherly figure that emanated from Dean, which is maybe why the romance part never worked with them.

I did like that scene in TSRTS where Sam confesses to young!John. I still can't help but wonder if young!John somehow, deep down, got a sense that Sam was talking about him. I think it may just be the way Matt played him, or my interpretation of his acting. Who knows.

Yes!!! Stiles and Scott. I like them, but I love Derek.

I have started my list and have come up with 7 characters right off the bat. I only have to think of 3 more. I should be able to do that, right???

Date: 2015-02-25 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Well, when it comes to S8 and S9, I kinda cringe a bit at how Sam was written - as much as Sera's years had problems, at least she still had a grasp of who Sam was. I worry that the new writers simply don't. I think Jared did an admirably job of trying his hardest to keep Sam SAM while saying and doing things that were contrary to that. I actually do have major problems with the last two seasons when it comes to Sam, but yeah, I don't see it as SAM, I see it as the writers...and I'm hoping that this season is to make up for that somehow, that maybe SOMEONE actually had a word with them and said, "dudes you are getting this wrong."

That being said, I think Sam's line in S9 about how he wouldn't have done the same for Dean, was Sam trying to say that he would never go against Dean's own wishes in order to save him... but Dean, since he already has self-esteem issues, misinterpreted... and the fans, who tend to take things extremely literally and who also tend to only see the show from Dean's POV, also misinterpreted. But again, why Sam didn't correct him sooner is down to the writers wanting to drag out the brother conflict until it was ridiculous and we were sick of it.

I think you've hit the nail on the head when it comes to Ellen and Jo's relationship with Dean. I think Dean quickly became more of a parent/older-brother to Jo, seeing her more as another Sam, and that's why the romance never sparked between them.

Matt said at a convention, or interview, or SOMETHING, once that Jensen gave him a tip on how to play John - and that was that JDM (as John) ALWAYS had love in his eyes when he talked to them, no matter what was happening. So, I think that's what comes through in the scene, the fact that even though Young!John doesn't necessarily know that Sam's talking about him, he has a care in his eyes for Sam-the-stranger and an understanding that whatever Sam is saying is very important, in that moment, for Sam.

I'm sure you could think of 3 more characters! If not, then 7 is a good number too!

Date: 2015-02-26 04:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] metallidean-grl.livejournal.com
Yea, THAT line from Sam in S9 was a hard line to hear. I knew that deep down Sam didn't mean it, and that he said it more out of anger than anything, but I do agree that the writers dragged out the brother conflict WAY TOO LONG. They really didn't need to drag out the conflict for the rest of the season. Like Kripke said in interviews for the 200th episode, Supernatural is at its best when the show is about Dean and Sam. I think the latter part of Season 9 drifted farther away from the brothers and dealt more with the stupid angel conflict and Crowley's SL, instead of focusing on the brothers, and getting the brothers back together again, instead of keeping them apart. Those are the reasons why S9 is my least favorite season, ever. I do often wonder if the writers really know the core of the show, these characters.

I'm glad a romance between Dean and Jo never materialized. I never thought she would be the right person for Dean. I just didn't see them together romantically.

I like your explanation for the young!John scene. That makes sense. I still wonder though, if somehow John couldn't help but feel a different type of connection to Dean and Sam and deep down knew they were his sons.

I've thought of another favorite character. 2 more to go.

Date: 2015-02-26 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Yeah, agreed about S9. I've been dragging my feet finishing up the rewatch, just because I don't actually feel like rewatching the episodes. :P

And yeah, you'd think there might be something - maybe something John couldn't explain, that made him feel a connection to the boys.


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