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Hello! It's an early one tonight, because my friend had stuff to do this evening - so I watched on the east coast feed, then helped move some things, and then drove home...

Which means that I didn't have any wine! Whether this means my memory will be better or not... well, it probably doesn't mean that my memory will be better, let's be honest.

So, let's get to the episode before I forget even more...

I'm going to talk about the two storylines separately, because I can't remember where they cut into each other.

Sam and Dean

We begin with a teaser death - this time, a hooker is running away from a man, who we find out is her pimp, and then when she stabs him in the eye with her heel (gross but awesome), he doesn't even die! He's a demon! It's interesting that demons can seemingly heal from bullets and whatnot, but the guy can't heal a ruined eye.

Then we cut to Sam and Dean, who are eating at a place, but Sam doesn't know where the heck they are. Dean says it's because the place has the best stake under $10 between whatever city and whatever city - and I just think that's hilarious. Also, I love the fact that Dean said "We have to drive down to *town*" and Sam was just like "okay" and didn't even question why until they got there. :P

The jig is soon up though, and Sam discovers that Dean's put himself on a dating app, like Tindr, I guess? That's the het-version of grindr right? Anyway... Sam commences making fun of Dean and it involves him putting on a sleazy voice to say Dean's username "Impala67" (which might as well come straight outta fic), and then putting on a faux-sexy voice while reading the texts that Dean's gotten from "Shaylene" and everything about this is glorious. I love how proud Dean is of the messages he's gotten... I also love Sam telling him that it's probably a Canadian trucker named Bruce...that the text are too good to be true.. but Shaylene shows up! And Dean proudly runs off with her.

Only, Sam was right! It IS too good to be true. Before they get to the good stuff, she mentions that they have to discuss payment. Dean is disappointed, because he has a "no cash for ass" policy... crude, but not a bad policy, especially with an unregulated sex industry. That's when Shaylene lets him know that she's really there for his soul - and at first I was like "She's a demon!" but she didn't flash the eyes and demons usually know who the Winchesters are, so I was like "is she a stupid demon? I'm confused." But then she mentioned that her "boss" would come in with the paperwork...

And so, we discover that some entrepenurial crossroads demon has decided to go into the sex trade. Yikes! Luckily, Dean is smart enough to know that the girl is PROBABLY there against her will - and she pretty much confirms it as soon as he suggests that her enthusiasm is an act.

So, Sam and Dean trap the demon - but when they try to extract more information about the other girls, the demon just says nasty things to/about Shaylene, so Shaylene knifes that bastard and kills him. Sam is upset because this means they might not be able to rescue the other girls - thankfully, there is a card on the body that suggests where they might be.

BUT!! Before they get there - someone beats them to it! We finally find out who the redhead was in 10x03! Despite the bodies pinned to the ceiling YED style, she ends up being a witch!! Not only that, but a Scottish witch... and I DID start wondering if they were going to go where I thought they might, given that there's another Scotsman on the show with ties to witchcraft...

We find out that the her name is Rowena that she can kill demons with a particular large hexbag. She actually LIQUIFIES the demon smoke and the demons basically become a leviathan-like dead sludge. The other demon smokes out.

Then Sam and Dean show up and are like "what the what now?" So, then it's off to investigate the witch...

Meanwhile, the witch takes the two hookers to a fancy restaraunt, as you do. And the restaraunt tries to kick them out, because they aren't dressed properly - stupid restaurant. So, Rowena mind-controls the waiter and they get all their stuff for free....

And meanwhile, Rowena explains about how she's a witch, and that there are three types of witches - the ones who get their powers from a demon, those that are born with magic and those that can be taught by a witch that is born with magic. This is cool, because we finally get something that unifies the different types of witches that we've seen in SPN. (The only thing NOT cool about it is that it kinda fucks with my HarryPotter/Supernatural crossover - but, *shrug* I can still make it work, I'm sure - it's just another challenge.)

Also, while we wait for Sam and Dean to catch up with the witch, we discover that Cole is out there practicing his skills on a demon..

Back to Rowena - who's time is up at the restaraunt, because apparently there is an expirery date on anyone that she bewitches. They're brains boil?!! Um, yeah, that's not good.

Oh, I also have to talk about Crowley, who finds out about what Raul was doing to get souls and is not impressed. I like the way this episode manages to condemn the sex trade from both good perspective (Sam and Dean are trying to rescue the girls) and the evil perspective (Crowley doesn't like it because it's beneath him.)

I'm not sure about the weird shadows on the other actor's face in the scene with Crowley - it was sort of a weird decision, I think, directorally... kind of oddly distracting. Why is he in shadow? What's it a shadow from? Why doesn't he move into the light a little more so that Crowley can see him better? How come Crowley's well lit but that other guy isn't? Maybe it was a statement or something, but I didn't get it.

Sam and Dean investigate the death at the restaraunt and then realize that they should be stacking out the fancy hotels. Dean seems pleased with this prospect.

Meanwhile, Rowena tries to teach the girls some witchcraft, and they're going to practice on the manager who knocks at the door... only, it's the busboy, and he is also dead. ALSO! He is the guy who dresses up as Castiel at VanCon every year and is awesome! Yay!

But, more importantly, the demons are there for Rowena - one of them is an intimidating blond woman and I like her. Dean and Sam also arrive at the hotel and take out the demons so that THEY can get to Rowena. My nitpicky quibble here is that if this was really a fancy hotel, there'd be no way they'd have been able to ride up the elevator without a room key... same goes for the demons, though, I suppose they, at least, hijacked a busboy.

Rowena spells one of the hookers to become an attack dog, which while making her 100x more awesome now, sadly, put her on a countdown clock to death. Sam stays back to deal with her while Dean takes off after Rowena...

Rowena and the remaining girl make it to the alley- but the remaining girl is no dummy. She realizes that Rowena plays a little TOO loose with human life and she gets a punch in and then takes off running... Rowena is about to kill her (or something) when Dean shows up.

Only, Cole also shows up. And man, he really does have the worst timing. Rowena gets to escape... and Dean has to deal with Cole.

The fight between Dean and Cole is really awesome. And it still happens dispite the fact that Cole throws holy water in Dean's face and discovers that he's not a demon anymore... the important thing though is that knowing demons exist opens Cole up to considering that OTHER things are not what they seem either. So, when Dean gets the upperhand, defeating Cole once again in hand-to-hand and then getting a gun on him, Dean is able to explain what happened with Cole's father... actually giving his (very beautiful) gun to Cole and saying that if Cole still feels the need to shoot him after he's done explaining, then he's free to. And yikes! That's a gamble and a half.

So, Dean explains that he DOES remember Cole's dad - his name, his town... and he remembers that Cole's dad was some sort of monster that ate livers. Dean doesn't know WHAT kind of monster, because he's never seen it before or since, but that Cole's dad was most likely long dead at the hand of, or changed into, whatever the liver eating monster was.

I'm SUPER GLAD that they had it be some mysterious monster with no name, because that doesn't mess up the canon for when the first time Sam and Dean dealt with particular monsters.... because before S1, they really only dealt with werewolves, ghosts-related-things, and possibly wendigos... mostly everything else has been new to them since S1.

The acting in this scene is really great. Cole breaks my heart - because you can see how much he wants Dean to be lying to him. He wants to hang onto the story that he's told himself his whole life... that a monster named Dean Winchester killed his innocent father, that he can get revenge. He doesn't want the monster to be his father. He doesn't want Dean to have actually been SAVING him back then... because for 13 years, he's devoted himself to a story that was easier to swallow.

And Dean's brilliant of course, because he recognizes this right away... I mean, Dean knows what it's like to devote your life to revenge, and he knows what it's like to idolize and love your father and not want to admit that there might have been something wrong with him, that he might not have been perfect, or even good.

I also love how Dean immediately yells at Sam to drop his gun when he comes up behind Cole. That Dean keeps the situation as in hand as possible.

Of course, Dean also tells Cole that Dean's beyond saving... which Sam doesn't like to hear at all. And Dean also talks about how you can go down dark paths and that you need people to pull you back from those paths.

Sam also reminds Cole that he has a family who needs him.

Cole doesn't shoot Dean and they see him off in his truck... and then Sam asks Dean about what he said, and Dean says he was just telling him what he wanted to hear. And I think Sam is a tad worried that Dean's just telling SAM what he wants to hear now too... or maybe that's just me.

Okay, let's talk about the other storyline before we talk about the end....

Castiel and Hannah

Cas and Hannah are still tracking down rogue angels and sending them back to heaven. They're nearly done. Once again restoring the earth to the state it was in before S4 when angels started interfering with things actively... then Hannah takes off all her clothes and stands there until Cas notices, then plays innocent about her intentions...or maybe she actually IS innocent? I don't think so though. I think she's getting back at Cas for him turning her down preemptively before - now she's just like "it's not me with a sexual attraction problem, it's YOU!"

But, she goes to shower, even though angels still don't need to shower.

And then as they are leaving, Hannah's vessel's husband shows up! Ah the plot-twist! After ignoring the plight of vessels for 3-4 seasons, they are finally adressing them again! Hannah's vessel is named Caroline and she just up and left her husband when Hannah possessed her back in S9. And he's been tracking her credit card and finally caught up with her.

Rather than try for the truth, Hannah attempts to convince him that she left him for another man - in an attempt to get him to stop looking. And she makes out with Castiel to prove it.

But, it doesn't sit right with her and when they stop for gas later, Hannah mentions how horrible she's feeling about the whole thing. Castiel mentions Jimmy! And how he had a daughter and was a good man... but that the mission needed to come first.

Hannah seems to agree, but then disappears. Cas finds her in a really pretty place. Hannah says that if protecting humans is the mission, then shouldn't that include their vessels? She even complains about the fact that they haven't even really been thinking about the vessels when they've knifed other angels... and now she feels horrible about it. Then she blames liking all the human things she likes (showering, being attracted to Cas) on her vessel's feelings bleeding over... which, interesting... that might suggest that all these emoting angels that we've come across over the years are just like that because they've let their human vessels bleed feelings all over them... in which case, Cas being less emoting might mean that he's put up more barriers to Jimmy's feelings.... or it could just be that Hannah doesn't want to own up to her own feelings.

Anyway, Hannah decides that she needs to let Caroline go. That she's done with earth and having a vessel. So, she graces out of there...

Now, my complaint here is the decision to have angel grace be that whispy thing. Because, okay, I know they fell - but Castiel's possession of Jimmy back in S4 was EPIC and AWESOME and even the possession last year of explording-girl was still fairly epic. Though, I also realize that Anna's grace could be kept in a pendent, so maybe size has no meaning when it comes to how angel grace manifests. Still, I think there was a missed opportunity for epic and awesome... even with the fact that angels have all had their wings clipped.

Caroline recognizes Castiel - so, she must have been slightly conscious, or Hannah told her before she left. And Castiell drives her home... she lives in a house that looks surprisingly similar to Jimmy Novak's!

And as Castiel sits out in the car, he uses the mysterious free wifi that permeates the world and looks up Jimmy Novak on his laptop... looking rather devastated about it all.

VERY INTERESTING... does this signal a return of Jimmy Novak in the future? My headcanon is that Jimmy Novak is long dead, and that it's been just Cas in that body for a while... but maybe the writers are going to destory that headcanon and tell me differently. I am very conflicted about this!


We end with Crowley in Hell. The demons managed to capture Rowena after all and she's strung up and pre-tortured for his convenience... and when he gets into her cell, she calls him short and then asks if the cat got his tongue... and we get the classic zoom in forground, zoom-out background, shot of Crowley as he realizes that Rowena is his mother.

Dun dun dun...

So, lots of stuff set up in this episode! Cole is appeased, but still alive...will he go back to his family and that's it, or will he become a hunter? Or will he inherit his Dad's monstrousness and become a liver-eater too?! Or will he try to figure out what his dad was? I like the idea that he's out there - it makes the universe bigger.

Hannah has peaced out, so does that mean that Castiel is going to return to the Winchesters? Is he going to continue to track down rogue angels and return them to heaven? Is Cas going to return to heaven? Is he going to try to return Jimmy to his family before Cas dies and takes Jimmy's body with him? Is Jimmy even still alive or is he dead? Is Cas returning a dead body no matter what he does?

How far away from demonhood is Dean? Is it really too late for him? Is he telling Sam what he wants to hear?

And, now that Crowley has his mother, what happens next?!

So many questions!

Anyway, good episode.

I am looking forward to next week based off that promo... yay!

As usual, let me know what you thought in comments!

Date: 2014-11-26 08:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liliaeth
Hmm, if I well remember I don't think that demons have ever been able to heal their meatsuits. it's why possessed people tend to die when the demon leaves if they've been harmed during the possession.

Dean was the exception, but then he was a knight of hell, not a regular demon.

Date: 2014-11-26 09:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Sorry, I meant superficially... like, presumably Ruby didn't walk around with gaping bullet wounds in her chest. Though, I guess we don't have any evidence to the contrary. Crowley has been shot before too, and that didn't seem to be an issue when Sam was "curing" him.

It's a nitpicky thing though, I realize, because yes, all the wounds to demons so far have been body-wounds, and presumably those are covered by clothes anyway.

Date: 2014-11-26 09:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liliaeth
Well remember blond Meg. She fell of a building and 'looked' ok, but the moment the demon left, her body died because it hadn't been healed, just kept together and looking ok on a superficial level.

Date: 2014-11-26 09:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Yes, exactly, that's what I mean - obviously, she didn't have broken bones sticking out her back or a half-crushed skull. So, demons can make their bodies look okay from the outside - so, why couldn't the demon make the eye look okay, even if it didn't work anymore? That's what I was getting at.

Date: 2014-11-26 09:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liliaeth
I figure that Meg was a higher level demon, with some skills in witchcraft, so she was probably better at making her meatsuit look ok, than some low level henchmen demon.

It's either that, or Meg was more invested in her meatsuit's upkeep than the pimp demon was. (she did seem attached to her second one, since she went and picked the girl back up, after she was exorcised from her in 501)
Edited Date: 2014-11-26 09:59 am (UTC)

Date: 2014-11-26 10:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
True, that could be the case.

Date: 2014-11-26 11:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] borgmama1of5.livejournal.com
There were so many storylines in this ep, it was a little overwhelming...clearly an ep designed to set up the next several plot arcs which makes it a bit awkward (though when watching eps back-to-back it will likely feel much more reasonable.)

I was surprised and pleased with Hannah's choice, as I was sure they were going to a romantic thing with Cas and Hannah and wasn't looking forward to that.

Rowena was too much of a caricature for me.

Dean and Cole's scene made the episode, though! Dean handing over his gun and asking for 5 minutes to explain...what a combination of bravado, belief that he'd done the right thing, and fatalism (I'm gonna die bloody, maybe today?) and Jensen sold the whole thing with the expressions on his face...

And Sam hearing him, actually hearing Dean acknowledge 'the people who loved him pulled him back from the edge'...wow, show, rip my heart out, why don't you?!

Date: 2014-11-26 04:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Yeah, it was a very busy episode!

I was surprised and pleased with Hannah's choice, as I was sure they were going to a romantic thing with Cas and Hannah and wasn't looking forward to that.

Same here! I really didn't like the fact that they seemed to be setting Hannah up as a romantic partner - so, as much as I liked her character besides that, I'm glad they went this route with her - though I do wonder if we'll ever see her again.

Rowena was too much of a caricature for me.

I'm thinking that Kevin also started as a bit of a caricature - albeit a comedic one, and that as his episodes progressed, they were able to fill out the picture more and reveal him to be a much more rounded character. I'm hoping they do the same with Rowena - they're giving us the short-hand stereotype to starts, so that they can have a base to expand on or defy.

And I completely agree about that end scene with Dean, Cole, and Sam - just amazing all around.

Date: 2014-11-28 09:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elvit.livejournal.com
Wow, I couldn't put it all better, it's just my opinion! ))

Now I'm just afraid that Hannah - who did many stupid things in season 9 - will return back. ((

Date: 2014-11-27 05:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowsong26.livejournal.com
Okay, so my reaction to this episode is not cohesive, cause it consists of excitement and confusion.

Sam teasing Dean is adorable. And I also thought that Shay was going to be a demon at first, and was glad she wasn't.

Also, ROWENA! I love Rowena. I mean, I kind of knew she was who she was from some casting spoilers over the summer? But she's fabulous and amazing and I want more of her.

The liquefied demon was super gross but also awesome.

Totally with you on the attack dog spell.

The remaining girl was kickass.

Cole does have poor timing. And the fight was awesome. I'm with you on liking the mystery monster w/no name...maybe that'll be a long-term plot thread this season, or something?

I think Sam is a tad worried that Dean's just telling SAM what he wants to hear now too



Okay, this was the part that made me SO HAPPY b/c there are so few vessels that have been presented to the audience independent of their angels--Caroline makes eight (excluding Sam, b/c main characters are special). Of those eight, she's one of two (you might stretch it to three, if you want to be super cruel) who are alive and dispossessed. And she has a name and a story and she's the first to have both since Adam. I mean, Gadreel's bartender had about as much of a story as her, but no name. And I understand the realities of Sam and Dean and their situation, how they have to deal with angels/demons as angels/demons and can't afford to think about vessels/hosts, but it's so nice that we, the audience, are now able to. Like, there are so many really cool things you can do with vessels, especially post-S9--was there a ginormous spike in missing persons reports after the angels fell? And vessels are bloodlines, right, which means that...like...what about entire families of people who disappeared, because Mom and Dad were converging lines, like Mary and John (only much lower-level, obvs), and everyone consented and I just...vessels, man.

Also, Hannah has the possibly-dubious honor of being one of three angels to willingly leave a vessel without immediately taking another. The others are Raphael and Michael, and given that Michael wiped John's memory of the whole event, to say nothing of what Raph did to poor Donnie...

...right. Anyway. There was an actual plot to this part of the episode, wasn't there.

I sort of agree with you on the wispy grace thing, but mostly I think it's kinda funny, because Hannah is teeny. I mean, Cas is supposed to be the size of the Chrysler building, and Gadreel was pretty epic, and even demons are, like, a couple dozen feet of black smoke...she was, like, two feet long!

Also agree that Jimmy is long dead--he got out on one of Cas' resurrections. I go back and forth on which one, but I'm pretty sure he was gone by the time Emanuel happened, at the very latest.

And now to the confusion...I have absolutely no idea what the plot of this season is. I mean...this was episode 7, right? That's a third of the way through the season by episode count, and like two away from the mid-season break...usually, by this point, the season's established the arc plot? Like, s1 had it right from the beginning, obvs; by this point in s2 we'd already met at least the adorable mind-control stoner and Ash was trying to track the other special children; s3 was all about Dean's impending doom; s4 established the seals right away; s5 is pretty obvious; s6 is a constantly shifting mess of an arc plot, but Purtgatory was established as a defining factor by episode 7; s7 had I think had already introduced Dick Roman; s8 was clearly about the Tablets; even s9 had set up both its plots. But it seems like every thread that should be a season-long thing--demon!Dean, Cole's quest, Cas' fading Grace, returning the angels to Heaven, even capturing Rowena...I feel like they're resolving more potential season-long arcs than they're introducing. So I'm confused, b/c I don't know where the season is going, and a little unsettled, because I can only assume it's setting up something hugely tragic...ah, well. Guess I'll find out.

Anyway. I liked this episode! For all its exciting confusion (confusing excitement?), I left it feeling very pleased.

Date: 2014-11-28 09:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kailita.livejournal.com
I loved Rowena too! Which surprised me, because I wasn’t crazy about Abaddon, our last big bad (though I did love her red hair), and I wasn’t incredibly impressed by Rowena’s initial teaser entrance earlier this season, with the bodies on the ceiling of the hotel room. Bodies bleeding on the ceiling is almost old hat for this show by now (haha – oh man, this show). But slaughtering demon pimps in a brothel? That’s something we haven’t seen from a villain. I love that complicated framework of the villain-as-liberator, freeing and empowering the oppressed. And then they turned that on its head, once we see that she’s willing to sacrifice one (and maybe both) girl(s) for her own ends. I thought that was great. I love that she’s a redhead. I love her accent (I believe this actress is originally from Falkirk?). I love that she’s TINY – she seemed short even in comparison to those leggy call girls, what are they ever going to do when they try to fit her into a shot with Jared?? ;) And in my opinion, she is the only “monster” this season who has been able to pull off a long backstory monologue successfully (cast out of the coven and etc.). Though she is a lot older and probably more experienced than Kate the werewolf or that shapeshifter girl from last episode, so I’m sure that helps.

And vessels! Yes! There are several places that I imagined they might take Hannah – most of them involved becoming romantically involved with Castiel, and none of them were especially interesting/pleasing to me. But THIS little plot twist I never saw coming, and was SO much more satisfying than I had hoped. I agree, there is SO MUCH that can be done with the concept of vessels (and vessels’ consent, or lack thereof), and I had pretty much come to the resigned conclusion that we were just going to ignore that. (Remember when we used to actually use the exorcism to free people from demon possession? Remember when Kevin went through the trouble of finding a spell that would allow people to speak to angel vessels without the angels inside listening in?? That was his LAST ACTION on earth, and it could still be SO useful…! Okay, I’m sorry, I’m done now, clearly I am not as resigned to ignoring vessels as I thought I was…) Anyway, YES, it was great to see the show treating people as people, and it was surprisingly wonderful to see Hannah make such a mature and truly HUMAN decision, to free her vessel. So much more than I ever hoped to get from her character. I wonder how that’s going to affect Castiel? He was clearly taking it to heart (though I’ve always assumed that Jimmy Novak died at the end of season 4 in “The Rapture”).

As far as the arc of this season…we seem to be hearkening back to the old “what makes a monster” question, good old season 2 fare that makes me nostalgic and excited. I feel like we can never truly exhaust that question. This new turn in the angel plot line seems to go along with that as well…how even angels can be “monstrous,” even without meaning to be, because of the collateral of their actions. They also seem to be defining that family motif pretty intentionally, with Demon Dean’s explicit references to Mom and Dad in “Soul Survivor,” Cole’s wife and son (and father), and now the introduction of Crowley’s mother. That’s a classic SPN staple as well, and I wonder where they might take it this season. Besides those things, I think the Mark of Cain is still a huge shadow looming over this season, made even more serious by the fact that we’re not really talking about it. I feel like that’s going to come to a head in the midseason finale and destroy this temporary peace we’ve built up over the last few episodes. “Setting up something hugely tragic” indeed.

Date: 2014-11-29 01:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shadowsong26.livejournal.com
I'm toooootally with you on the ignoring-vessels part, and missing the fact that they used to exorcise demons instead of just shanking the hosts, too...but, like I said in my earlier comment, I understand why the shift in priorities, but it's nice to start slowly shifting back, at least partway.

As far as the arc of this season…we seem to be hearkening back to the old “what makes a monster” question, good old season 2 fare that makes me nostalgic and excited.

This is very true! Thematically, this season is very closely related to s2, which is kind of awesome because I like that season, arc-wise. But I think what I meant by I don't know what the plot is is less that I don't know what the theme is and more that I don't know what the central conflict/goal is. Like...S2 had this theme of 'what makes a monster/what makes a person/etc.,' but it also had the central conflict/goal of the special children/tracking Azazel, all leading up to AHBL at the end of the season. I don't get that feeling here, that there's a central conflict/goal that ties everything together--every potential central conflict/goal gets seemingly wrapped up before it actually sustains multiple episodes. But you're probably right, whatever is the arc plot will come out in the mid-season finale.

Date: 2014-11-29 02:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
I'm jumping into this conversation late - but I just wanted to say that I agree with what both of you are saying.

It IS kind of unusual for Supernatural not to start their season with: "We have to *insert season goal here*" - so it is odd to get to episode 7 and just think "well, there's still the problems left over from last year - the MoC, Castiel's fading grace" but you're right in the fact that there's no clear way to solve those problems. In that respect, it's kind of similar to S3, which just had "rescue Dean" as the theme/plot - and this season we ARE trying to rescue Dean, but it's not from a clear upcoming event (like a deal coming do) but just the general MoC problem.

Date: 2014-11-27 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] marlowe78.livejournal.com
Hey there

I really enjoyed this episode. I even had fun with the Castiel-storyline, so big yay for that.

I think one of my favourite things about this ep was how awesome the girls were.
Sure, they weren't overly smart, no college-girls or doctors. But they all got to kick some ass, even though two of them died. (Which coincidentally were the blondes, the brunettes both stayed alive. I feel a conspiracy!)

The acting in this scene is really great. Cole breaks my heart - because you can see how much he wants Dean to be lying to him.

And that scene was my second favourite part. Cole was so heartbreaking, and Dean broke my heart, too. And I am for one glad that it was some unknown monster but on the other hand, I'm not entirely sure I believe Dean. It might have been that Dean just simply made a mistake...
But I hope Cole will believe that and will go home to his family and be a good father and husband. That scene with the standoff, the talk - yepp, damn well done.
(and I certainly don't believe that Dean doesn't think he's beyond saving. He never thought differently, so it's not much of a surprise to me. It might be to Sam, though he, too, had known about his issues. Still, maybe he'd hoped the whole saving-Dean thing had changed things.

as for Cas and Hannah: While I really really liked how they played the way Hannah left, I'm a bit confused about the speed of things. I mean,she was such a hard-ass before. So either the writers needed her gone or - which would make me a bit more happy - angels just have a limited time in their hosts before they get leak-issues. Remember 2014Cas (the fake 2014) - he was an angel, cut off from heaven, and he couldn't handle his humanity. Probably also not his emotions and feelings - which led to sex, drugs and hippie-music.

Maybe there's some built-in safety-measure in an angel: too long in a vessel fuses vessel and angel, making the angel more human and probably killing the human mind in the process... which the angel wouldn't want with their new emotions.

Hm. We'll see.

Many questions, not many answers but a lot of interesting things to keep me hooked once more. (Well... I'm always hooked. But still - yay)

Date: 2014-11-28 09:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kailita.livejournal.com
“I think one of my favourite things about this ep was how awesome the girls were.”

Yes! Me too. This writer of this episode is the same one who did “Annie Alexis Alex Anne” (or whatever order those names go in), which makes a lot of sense when I think about it. That episode really gave its due to Jody, and Alex, and even the vampire mother – they got to be fleshed out characters making complicated decisions, not just stand-ins to be rescued (or killed) or Token Girl Power. That's progress from some of our female characters from the past!

Date: 2014-11-29 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
That's an interesting thought about the angels and vessels and possible bleedthrough. It WOULD account for why angels get more emotional the more they remain on earth.

And yes, Hannah's turnaround IS a bit quick, but then she's always been a bit quick to action once she decides what has to be done.

Date: 2014-11-28 09:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kailita.livejournal.com
I feel like I loved this episode WAYYY more than I thought I would – maybe because I was bracing for it to be terrible based on the previews I had seen. Dean’s cavalier attitude towards prostitution in “Free to Be You and Me,” when he takes Cas out for a night on the town is something that has never sat well with me. (In retrospect, I see that as a lot of false bravado, born out of desperation and fear and loneliness from having just separated from Sam after opening Lucifer’s cage, not Dean’s usual attitude towards women or sex – but just because *I* see it that way doesn’t mean that the writers necessarily do). But this episode fixed that for me with Dean’s “code,” and his righteous anger in finding that someone had killed that demon pimp before he could get to him.

I loved how he and Sam revert to adolescence after Sam takes his phone. “Give it back! Because privacy and…stuff.” And the way Sam clutches Dean’s phone to his chest, as if he’s afraid that Dean might climb across the table and snatch it back from him. As I’m sure he did when they were 15 and 11. ;)

I loved how even when he’s NOT a demon, Dean is still able to beat Cole. ;) And how shockingly reasonable he was about the whole thing, how measured and calm, how surprisingly honorable. Though maybe what I’m interpreting as honor is just resignation, fatalism. But it could just as easily gone the opposite direction – Dean assuming that no matter what he does, Cole is still going to want to kill him, and so it’s not worth trying to communicate. I was proud of him for going the harder, more vulnerable route.

And I loved Rowena, though I guess I already mentioned that above. I’m interested to see what her appearance will mean for Crowley. You made a great point above about Kevin starting off as a caricature and developing into a multi-faceted, truly wonderful (and truly tragic) character. I don’t think I hope for quite as much with Rowena, but I do think there is a lot of room for them to explore and expand with her, especially in relation to Crowley.

Thanks for the recap, and the space to ramble! :)

Date: 2014-11-29 02:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
I think Dean thinks that prostitution (as long as the prostitutes have chosen the business and enjoy it) is fine for other people. I mean, I don't think he particularly likes it, but when it comes to getting Cas laid in one night, he'll front the money for it - and you're right, I mean, Dean WAS kinda messed up in Free to Be...

Anyway, I agree about how the boys revert to adolescence - it was great.

And I also loved how Dean was able to beat Cole again as a human. It makes sense, because Cole may have been training since he was 13, but Dean's been training since he was 5 and he's 12 years older than Cole... so, yeah...

I'm very interested in what will happen with Rowena and her relationship with Crowley and whether it'll be a good thing or a bad thing (probably a bad thing). And I doubt she'll have the same quality of arc as Kevin, but I'm sure they'll round her out a little bit.


Date: 2014-11-28 09:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elvit.livejournal.com
> ALSO! He is the guy who dresses up as Castiel at VanCon every year and is awesome! Yay!

- Hey, that's amazing!

Date: 2014-11-29 02:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Yeah, it's great. :)


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