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I finished watching Teen Wolf Season 1 tonight.

It was good! I liked it. I was talking to someone the other day and they were asking me to compare Teen Wolf to another show - "Is it like Vampire Diaries?' "Uhh...no?" I don't watch Vampire Diaries, because when I have I've hated it - but I enjoy Teen Wolf. Mind you, maybe that's just because of my hatred of vampires and my love of werewolves. Seriously folks, werewolves are awesome and vampires need to die. I've chosen my side on the war, thanks. Anyway, I don't really know what other show to compare it to.

Now, of course this viewing wasn't a clean watch. I had already been reading fic in the fandom and so was spoiled for everything that was going to happen. I was pleasantly surprised by what was canon though.

For instance, after reading fic, I didn't expect the Sheriff to be as on the ball as he actually was. Man, Sheriff Stilinski kicks ass - and I'm not just saying that because he's played by Lindon "Johnny Cage" Ashby. He doesn't even know about werewolves and his son's lying to him every second day, but he totally puts together what's really going on in terms of motivations of our characters.

I also love how alike Stile and the Sheriff are. I think their probably the two characters/actors that I buy MOST as father and son. They're written VERY similarly, which is pretty cool to see. I mean, just that scene where the Sheriff pulls Allison over for speeding - his tone of voice and his mannerism are all Stiles. And of course there's the more obviously comparisons - like the degree of tenacity and obsession they both use when investigating something - not to mention that they both go after investigating with open minds, which is another thing that was refreshing to see about the Sheriff.

And while we're on the topic of the Sheriff, I should also say that I love the fact that he and Melissa McCall are written like human beings. I find there's a tendency in "teen" things to write parents as nonsexual clueless overseers who live only for their children - rather than people who have their own wants and desires and problems (of which their wayward kid is just one.)

Anyway, other things....

The fact that Derek is a born werewolf. This idea really intrigues me, because most werewolf stories are always about werewolves that are bitten, like it's the only way to become a werewolf. To me, having born werewolves completely changes the metaphor. Werewolf stories are always the Jekyll and Hyde thing - your human side and your animalistic side at odds with one another, the need to control your animal instincts, etc. But Derek, being a born werewolf, wouldn't have that divide. Derek would have always been both human and animal as one united being and for him that would be perfectly normal. Anyway, I find it fascinating. Basically, what I'm saying is that one thing that always annoys me in fic is when Derek talks about his "wolf" like it's a different person than him - because if he was born a werewolf it wouldn't be. Derek is a werewolf, he is not a human and a wolf in one body, he is just one being that is a werewolf. Scott is the one that might need to divide his personality in order to understand new instincts, but for Derek there's nothing new and no reason to compartmentalize like that.

Oh, I also liked the fact that it was canon that Derek's pack had humans in it. I think that's more interesting too than just having everyone in the family be a werewolf.

I can see why people ship Derek and Stiles. Yes, it's true that there's no bases for it in canon - Stiles is advocating for letting Derek die right up until the second-to-last episode. At the same time though, I think Stiles and Derek are the two most compelling characters, and I'll explain why...

Scott is the main character and the show follows HIS life and problems. His motivations are clear and his feelings are always known to us. He's the one thrust into a strange new life and it's through his eyes that we explore the world... we know Scott. Scott is great! He's not hard to figure out. There's no mystery there. There's just Scott trying to be a good person and not having to struggle very hard to do it. Scott IS a good person. Let's watch him be good... yay.

Stiles on the other hand does things like try to find dead bodies in the woods. Stiles uses people to get what he wants. Stiles lies to his father. Stiles gets his father drunk for information and yes, he feels bad about it, and yes, he eventually corrects his error - but he still does it. Stiles is also stupidly loyal and brave. Stiles crashes his jeep into a car carrying his best friend's mom and an alpha werewolf. Stiles runs across a field TOWARDS an alpha werewolf who has already attacked and possibly killed one person and there are absolutely no witnesses to prevent that alpha from killing Stiles too. Stiles knows Lydia is a genius even though no one else does, and he lets her walk all over his heart because at least she's talking to him... Stiles is a HUMAN running around with werewolves when there's no reason for him too. Stiles is interesting. What motivates him? Love and loyalty - and that's more compelling than just being a good person, because Stiles is NOT necessarily a good person ("[he] know[s] it keeps [him] up at night") but he loves a good person. Also, of course, Dylan O'Brian just draws the eye.. and I don't mean that in a "sexy" sense. I mean that in "he's a good actor" sense. He's got a thing about him that makes you just want to watch him... sort of like RDJ. When he's on screen, your attention is drawn to him.

And of course Derek has that whole tragic backstory going on. He's a mystery - who was he before his entire life was devastated? Was he always this way or did he use to be different? Could he be different again? Now, you could blame it on the shoddy writing, but we really don't even get a sense of who Derek really is, besides, most likely, someone who was once loved and is now completely alone in the world and who is, arguably, completely consumed with guilt. That's also someone is is more interesting than someone who is just a good person in a chaotic situation.

Anyway, yeah... I get it. Besides Scott and Allison, Scott and Stiles have the most loving relationship on the show - but they're very much just brothers (and yes, I know I'm a member of the SPN fandom, but I mean "brothers" in the non incestuous sense.) Jackson's a cowardly jackass. Danny is barely on screen in S1. Peter is a psycho who killed his own niece. Scott and Allison are canon and het, so that's boring... so who does that leave to ship? Derek and Stiles (and Allison and Lydia for the femslashers).

I also understand why it was such a big deal that Colton Hayes left the show. When I heard that when it happened, I thought "big deal, aren't there like 15 other people on that show?" But yeah... he IS kind of a big supporting part.

So, of course, the downfall of the show IS that it lacks emotional follow through - not to mention the number of "missing scenes"... how did Derek reveal that he wasn't dead after the incident at the school? How did he react to finding out that Scott and thrown him under the bus for the murders? What did the Sheriff say to Stiles about being absent from the lacrosse game when he was supposed to be first line? How was it that Peter was able to convince Derek that Laura's death was a mistake? ("It happens" - really? Do werewolves accidentally kill their family members all the time, Derek? If so, I think this is something we need to know about.) Could Scott really have cured his lycanthropy, or was that something Derek said just to get him to help?

Speaking of no emotional follow through though... let's talk about Derek. Personally, I think Derek projects his own insecurities. He tells Jackson that no one cares about him, because no one cares about Derek now that his family is dead - no one cares that he drives a nice car, or used to play basketball, or has perfect hair. And Scott is just a stupid teenager and isn't in love, because Derek was a stupid teenager who thought he was in love but was really sleeping with a psycho arsonist. See, this is why this show is good fic-fodder, and why Derek tends to be at the center, or near the centre of the fic. Derek needs the most additional writing, because the writers on the show don't write anything for him...but it's easier to tell stories from a human point of view, because that's what the fic writers are - so you get a whole bunch of Stiles POV fics about Derek. Voila, Sterek is born.

Anyway, off topic again...

I like the set up for S2 - with the "what the hell is Lydia?", bit Jackson, in the know Allison, and alpha!Derek. I like Derek's alpha-voice. "I'm the Alpha now!" - mmm, the alpha of my pants? Of course, like I said, this isn't a clean-watch and I know what happens in S2 and S3a though fic and gifs on tumblr, but it's still fun to see exactly how it plays out and the in between scenes that can colour the scenes that I do know differently.

I'm looking forward to S2, which I hear is better/worse (I've had conflicting reports)... and then S3a, which I hear is a clusterfuck.

Thankfully, one of my fears about getting into this show was that I'd have an overwhelming urge to write for it... but so far that hasn't happened. Yay!

Date: 2013-08-31 10:32 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liliaeth
I personally find Derek/Scott by far more interesting than Derek/Stiles. Not just because Derek/Scott actually has canon subtext, or because I have zero to no interest in Stiles, whom to me is just that annoying little shit that Scott is friends with. But because I prefer the dynamics between innocent Scott, and weary cynical Derek. If both sides are cynical like Stiles and Derek, then the pairing to me falls flatter than a flat tire.

See, the thing for me, is that being a good person isn't easy, and characters like Scott who do try to be a decent person are rare as hell on TV these days because most shows prefer to focus on boring ten in a dozen type of characters like Stiles. To see someone who's truly decent and tries to do the right thing even though it isn't easy, that's rare. And I just wish we had more chars like him and less like Stiles.
Edited Date: 2013-08-31 10:41 am (UTC)

Date: 2013-08-31 04:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Ah, well, now we come down to a personal taste thing, where we just happen to like different characters.

That being said, I can totally see how Scott/Derek would be interesting - especially given Derek's enthusiasm (if you can ever call Derek enthusiastic) to have Scott as a "brother."

Also, as much as I like Stiles, I agree that Scott is the lead for a reason. I didn't mean to insult Scott in my blathering, so sorry if it came across that way.

Date: 2013-08-31 05:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liliaeth
sorry, I get a bit defensive where Scott's concerned.
Though admittedly a lot of it has to do with the way Stiles fans tend to erase him in favor of Stiles.

Imagine getting into SPN fandom, and you're trying to find fics about the leads, Sam and Dean, and instead all you can find are fics about Adam or Crowley.

Date: 2013-08-31 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Yeah, I completely understand. I think part of the problem is that I wrote this post at 3am, and what I meant to say is that I understand why it's become a trend - not necessarily that I agree with it. :P

Date: 2013-08-31 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] verdande-mi.livejournal.com
Unlurking around these parts to say:

To me the second season is better than the first one, and I feel I’m in a minority for saying it, but season 3a has been the best for me. I loved it. I went from liking it okay, to thinking it was pretty good, to this is great!

The family dynamics are very well done, and I would say gets in season 2 because tensions/conflicts rise. I very much agree it’s lovely to see the parents portrayed as more than just the parents; with lives and dreams of their own.

I won’t spoil season 3a for you, but one of the points I really liked was how the adversaries of the season where portrayed beyond shades of greys!

Date: 2013-08-31 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Yeah, people's opinions differ greatly on the different seasons - so I'm reserving judgement until I actually see them.

But I'm looking forward to more family dynamics in S2&3! Also, I love grey villains! Yay! That was one thing about Peter that I actually kind of liked in S1 - the fact that he was a psycho for a reason and that the real villain of the piece was a human, with Peter only ranking second to her in terms of threat.

Date: 2013-08-31 06:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandymg.livejournal.com
Flailing to have someone to talk to about this show that I know and respect \o/ . Now I need to go back and remember my S1 thoughts and not jump ahead. I was told the first few eps weren't that good so that tempered my expectations. I was told it kicks in after ep 9 and that was true. My initial reaction was to find it funny. I remember laughing the first time Scott changes. The makeup was giggle worthy. I've grown to like to Scott but really, the actor isn't very strong. I like him (he's sweet in interviews) and Scott as a character is a puppy dog. But especially S1 he had two expressions. Befuddled and more befuddled.

Stiles caught my attention immediately. Mostly, yeah, because the kid can act. The character reminds me of Xander from Buffy the Vampire Slayer. (All of TW strikes me as Buffy like). Only I think Dylan is a better actor than Brandon. I'm with you also on the father dynamic. In fact, all the adults on the show rock.

In S1 I really liked Jackson. He was such a drama queen -- he ate up all his scenes but I liked it. I also adored Peter. I love a villain with snark -- it's bulletproof to me. And then there's Mama Argent. Ahhh, thing of beauty in her insanity.

Derek was the classic bad boy with a heart. I admit in S1 it was all about those pecs for me. He is just beautiful. Like a perfect male specimen. But I think his acting is good. Not Dylan-level good, but up there. I can't help but liking Derek.

Other characters that grew on me totally were the Alison and Lydia. More in the later seasons. They simply weren't given enough to do in S1. I find them both so gorgeous it's always fun to just watch them. And Alison grows up a lot, lots of character growth which is nice (more in later seasons). Lydia is this lovely mystery. I adore that only Stiles knows how she's a genius really. That development, small as it was, added so much depth.

As for other seasons -- I really liked S2. More than S1. I welcome a discussion after you've watched.

I'm also in the camp that S3a is quite good. Plot holes, yeah, and not perfect by any measure. But some surprises and nice character growth and some really lovely acting moments. Stiles as ever but also Scott. I think Tyler P is one of those actors who plays better based on the strengths of the performances around him. Well, he was given good material and rock solid acting surrounding him -- and he really steps up in S3.

Re shipping. When watching S1 I couldn't understand Sterek. I hadn't read any fanfic. But I knew it existed and that the ship was popular. But I hadn't seen it on the screen. Then I read some stories. I believed it in the fic. I would have found such a developing relationship fascinating on the screen. But I don't believe MTV is going to go there. Not if it wasn't planned from the start as with Danny. The few vague hints that Stiles might be bisexual notwithstanding.

That said the friendship between Derek and Stiles is so textured and rich. The more we see, the happier I get. I think a romantic relationship would be lovely, especially if allowed to grow organically. It would elevate the show. But I don't think this will happen. I think another, more traditional relationship will be pushed for Stiles. I won't say more on that now.

Thanks for jumping aboard TW. I hope we get to chat more on it!

Date: 2013-08-31 06:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liliaeth
Hmm I have to utterly and totally disagree with you. I find Dylan about as abysmal an actor as Allyson Hannigan (who's the main reason I will never under any condition watch 'How I met your mother', she's just that horrendously bad as an actress.

Whereas Posey to me is the best actor on the whole damn show.

Date: 2013-08-31 06:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandymg.livejournal.com
Looks like we balance each other out quite well. Fortunately, since there's enough left for us to enjoy the show then it works out well for Jeff Davis :)

I've never seen How I met Your Mother. But I did enjoy Allyson Hannigan as Willow on Buffy. If I wanted to get all thinky, I'd ponder if there's a connection to my appreciation of certain acting styles and whether there's a consistency. But, we are talking about a show called Teen Wolf -- so maybe getting too thinky isn't exactly wise.

Date: 2013-08-31 06:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liliaeth
Willow is the reason I can't stand AH. She substituted acting with behaving cutesy, which was a thing that Joss seems to love, so after a while that was all she kept doing. Probably my least liked character on BTVS by far.

Dylan has a similar cutesiness about him, he's like a mix between Xander's most annoying traits and Willow's mary sueness.

PS: sorry I get a bit ranty where my dislike of Stiles anc chars like him are concerned.
Edited Date: 2013-08-31 06:41 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-08-31 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandymg.livejournal.com
We will need to keep on agreeing to disagree about Dylan. I think Stiles is the opposite of cute because under some of the hyperactive jerkiness is a darkness that I really like. But like I said, I can understand seeing it differently. No two people ever really see a performance the same way. That's what makes acting art -- the joy of individual interpretation.

I was wondering if you'd ever seen Allyson Hannigan in her small role on Veronica Mars as Logan's stepsister (or half sister ?). She wasn't cute. She was quite the, um, rhymes with 'witch'. It was a departure. Having primarily only seen her as Willow I know what you mean about her playing 'cute'. It's just that it didn't bother me as it did you.

Date: 2013-08-31 06:43 pm (UTC)
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I guess for me there's a different between cute and cutesy. Scott is cute and adorable, I don't mind cute so much. It's the fake cutesiness that annoys me. I guess for me, Stiles acts cutesy, but really he's kinda creepy, which tends to annoy me*g*

Date: 2013-08-31 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandymg.livejournal.com
You know this is fascinating. We aren't actually viewing him all that differently. The geek side of me is enjoying that. :)

You called the underlying nature 'creepy' and I called it 'dark'. So we agree that the character is written intentionally in a layered way. But obviously, as he's your least-liked and he's my most-liked character it's coming across to us very differently. Or perhaps, the better way to state it is that we aren't agreeing on the success of the portrayal by the actor.

I think we are closer on Scott, BTW. I don't dislike Tyler Posey's acting that much. I'm much more neutral and I thought he was exceptionally good in S3A (but don't want to post specifics that spoil.) I find his growth in acting to be most noticable among the cast in a nice way. Lydia, too. She's gotten so interesting.

Date: 2013-08-31 07:17 pm (UTC)
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lol, yep. Thing is, I'll never deny that Stiles isn't a multidimensional and well written character. He just isn't the kind of character I can stand. ;-)

Compared to Derek, whom I like, but who is probably one of the worst written characters on the show. Seriously, he has so much potential, yet he has little to no personality. He has tons of screentime, yet all they seem to be able to think of doing with him is pile more and more angst on him.

I don't blame Tyler Hoechlin, he has done as much as possible with what little he was given, and he's a good enough actor. But when it comes down to it, Derek is about as well written as Angel in s1 of BTVS. (and I'm saying that as someone who came to love Angel by S5 of his own show because he improved so damn much once he got his own show, s1 of BTVS though, he was basically nothing more than the trope of the brooding stranger made flesh)

Date: 2013-08-31 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sandymg.livejournal.com
Ahhh. Agreement. Had to happen eventually :) Yep, potential denied with Derek. And I also agree that Tyler H seems to have acting chops under the brooding looks and the angst. Right now he is serving that 'Angel S1' role of standing around handsome and brooding. We'll see if they open up more for him to do.

Date: 2013-08-31 11:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
You have to remember that I am VERY spoiled for the later seasons already - I just haven't viewed them for myself. So yeah, I think Stiles is being pushed in another, ,ore traditional, romantic direction than Sterek. But that being said, I would really like it if he were made to be a canon bisexual (or if at least SOMEONE was - there aren't enough bisexuals on TV.)

I like Stiles/Derek as a friendship primarily. Not that I'd get mad if they became romantic, but just that what I really want is just to explore their layered dynamic more in a friendship setting first - and anything beyond that would just be gravy. From what I understand though, that doesn't really happen? Well, I guess I'll wait and find out.

Stiles caught my attention immediately. Mostly, yeah, because the kid can act. The character reminds me of Xander from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Yes, this is a very good comparison. And I agree that Dylan has more charisma on screen than Brandon did. But Stiles is definitely the Xander of the Scooby Gang.

And then there's Mama Argent. Ahhh, thing of beauty in her insanity.

Yes, I've only gotten a brief taste of this in S1, but I'm looking forward to seeing more of it in S2 - from the glimpse I got in S1, I'm guessing that having a mother like that would probably mess Allison up a fair deal.

I think Tyler P is one of those actors who plays better based on the strengths of the performances around him. Well, he was given good material and rock solid acting surrounding him -- and he really steps up in S3.

I wouldn't be surprised. I mean, the actor didn't do too much before this right? This is his first long-term lead I think... I'm imagining it will probably be similar to Jared in SPN and we'll watch Tyler P's skills grow as the series progresses. Dylan just outshines him a bit when it comes to natural talent, much like Jensen outshone Jared in those first few seasons of SPN (in my opinion anyway - I'm sure some Jared girls might jump down my throat for that, but I hope they remember that I'm a Jared!girl too!)

I'm looking forward to forming my own opinion about S3a, I've heard such different reviews of it - from it being too much plot and too little character development, to it being a game-changer in terms of character development and where the series is going... I don't know, should be interesting!

First though, I have to get through S2. :)

Date: 2013-09-01 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khek.livejournal.com
Yay! Another Teen Wolf convert!

I kind of discovered it earlier this year, and watched all of seasons one and two in a few weeks, finishing up just in time for season three in June. I've been reading fanfic all summer.

I agree with everything you've said--born wolves, Dylan's skills as an actor, the Sheriff, Scott...everything! I'm not a shipper (for any show) but I love Stiles and Derek together. I think their interactions make the show. I also love Peter. I know he's a psychopath, but he has valid reasons to be what he is. (There is an episode in season 3 that kind of rewrites some of the past, but since that episode was someone telling a story, in my mind it's that character's somewhat warped POV.)

Actually, I think Stiles is great interacting with every character, he always has some connection, regardless of how much or how little backstory the characters have. Poor Derek just seems there to angst and suffer; I don't think anyone could take all the things he's had to go through. But Tyler H. does seem to do some interesting things with his body language and eyes that add to the scenes where he has little to no dialogue.

Although season one is so far my favorite (season one of SPN, SG-1 and most shows are also my fav, I think I like the newness of first seasons), I really enjoyed season two. I liked most of season three, even though I think it was more uneven than the two previous seasons. (There is that one episode that I think was ridiculous, but that I can wave away as a POV issue.) I think you'll enjoy both. And I'm really looking forward to season 3B. Waiting is going to be the hardest part...that's the problem with devouring three seasons of a show in a few months.

I find that the series I fall for the hardest are shows where there are some major plot holes going on, as well as the lack of emotional follow through you mention. Maybe that's because I can use my imagination to fill those in? It makes it harder when the show eventually decides to explain something that had better fanfic explanations or for which I had personal head-canon (blue eyed wolves, anyone?) but... I guess that's also the problem with watching an ongoing show. How DVDs have changed viewing habits!

Anyway, I'm glad you like the show too! And maybe some of that lack of emotional resolution will start speaking to you...but only if you have time! :)

Date: 2013-09-01 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
I'm reserving judgement on Peter a little bit - I mean, I really liked what they did with the character, because they DID give him a very heartbreaking reason to be the way he is, but that being said, he DID kill Laura and he IS a psychopath... so, yeah...

...and yeah, I think I know what S3a episode you are taking about that undoes a lot of the past - and I have a feeling I'm not going to like it either and I'll have to make excuses. :P

Tyler H. does seem to do some interesting things with his body language and eyes that add to the scenes where he has little to no dialogue.

Yes, for all I've heard people dismiss his acting talent. I think Tyler H. does do a lot with the little that he's given. I really think it's the fault of the writing, not the actor, that it's harder to connect with Derek.

On a somewhat related note: That last scene in S1 with him smiling and then biting Jackson was AWESOME.

Waiting is going to be the hardest part...that's the problem with devouring three seasons of a show in a few months.

Yeah, I'm a tad bit slower to make my way through shows, because I only watch one or two episodes every second or third night... but I'll still probably finish a month or two before 3b starts and then I'll have been spoiled by having all the previous seasons at my fingertips.

It makes it harder when the show eventually decides to explain something that had better fanfic explanations or for which I had personal head-canon (blue eyed wolves, anyone?)

Haha, yeah, the funny thing is that that's already happened to me - because I started reading fic in Teen Wolf before I started watching, and then I started looking at episode reactions on tumblr before I started watching... so, yes, blue-eyed werewolves indeed. :P

And maybe some of that lack of emotional resolution will start speaking to you...but only if you have time! :)

Oh, I'm sure it's only a matter of time. Right now I'm a bit stressed out with coming down from VanCon and quitting my job and whatnot, so I think my muse has retreated to the back of my brain to escape the fretting... but it's only a matter of time until she gets bored back there and returns to demand that I do things. :P

Date: 2013-09-02 07:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mika-kun.livejournal.com
It's been awhile since I've watched Teen Wolf, but I have this vague impression that whenever Derek talks about "the wolf" he's talking to either a human or a bitten werewolf (...because other than Peter there's no one else to talk to...), so he might be discussing them as separate things for their benefit.

Or they are separate even in born wolves and Derek thinks having two separate entities in his body is normal (and that it's really weird that humans only have *one* set of instincts - how limiting).

Date: 2013-09-02 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
I didn't even notice Derek talking about "the wolf" as a separate being, so either I just completely ignored it, or he does it in such a way where it's not as jarring as when people have him do it in fic.

That being said, I've already been forewarned about Teen Wolf's writers (and I've already noticed one contradiction in their mythology), so I wouldn't be surprised if they DID mess it up just as much as the fic writers.

But yeah, the important thing to my mind is that no matter how Derek thinks of his body/mind, to him THAT would be "normal" and it's the bitten-wolves and the humans that are weird.

Date: 2013-09-02 10:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mika-kun.livejournal.com
I have to say, I absolutely adore it when fics have moments of Derek thinking that humans are kinda odd.

Date: 2013-09-02 10:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Yes, me too! :)

Date: 2013-09-04 12:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mymuseandi.livejournal.com
I missed this! Talking about shows! :)

I've never really finished season 1. I was up to the 4th episode, decided to "screw it", and jumped to season 3a. I've also since watched a couple more episodes of S1 in random order. So. I find Scott and Stiles adorable and I want to pinch their cheeks. They work really well together, and yes, Dylan draws the eye, because he's that good, but Tyler P plays that clueless innocent teenager well.

I find Lydia is a potentially complex character, but Holland plays her not so well (she gets better in S3) and her 'genius' sometimes comes through like an afterthought instead of revealing inner intelligence. Allison is so sweet, especially with their first meeting, and although I haven't seen the episodes where she knew about werewolves, Crystal plays her 3-dimensional, not just a love interest to the main character. The dinner scene with her family is just. Gold.

I keep telling people, especially after S3a, that Tyler H is much better at acting than we give him credit for. In S1 the way he plays Derek is how I thought a brooding orphan looking for a murderer but finding a fellow 'brother' would be like. Granted, the lurking could be kept to a minimum, but can you blame him for wanting to stay close to the only other wolf that he knows? :)

I'm not so sure about Jackson as I haven't seen him in a lot of of scenes, but Colton plays the popular jock well, so no complaints so far LOL I know he's supposed to be the kanima, but I haven't seen that part yet, so I have to reserve judgement.

I find there's a tendency in "teen" things to write parents as nonsexual clueless overseers who live only for their children - rather than people who have their own wants and desires and problems (of which their wayward kid is just one.)

YES. I love that the parents are included in the plots, because it makes them more believable and enjoyable and there are so many ways that can be explored and the 'adult' actors pushed up the acting 'gear' for some of the 'kid' actors. As you mentioned, Dylan and Linden's chemistry is great, as is Tyler P and Melissa's. I'm also partial to the JR Bourne and Tyler H parent-child characters pairing, but that hasn't happened yet, unfortunately.

I can't wait til you get to S3!

Date: 2013-09-04 04:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
I missed this! Talking about shows! :)

Me too!

I find Lydia is a potentially complex character, but Holland plays her not so well

I'm only just getting into seeing more of her in S2 - in S1, she's a little thin on the ground and hard to get a feel for. So far I think Holland is playing her pretty well - especially given how things are all messed up for her at the moment.

I agree that Chrystal does a great job with Allison though - and she doesn't come across as... cliche? as Lydia. Mind you, Lydia, I think, is supposed to give the impression of being a cliche, so maybe she's just doing an exceptional job.

I keep telling people, especially after S3a, that Tyler H is much better at acting than we give him credit for.

I agree. When I see him on screen, he very much reminds me of the Merlin actors - as in, doing everything in their power to make the most with underwhelming writing.

I'm not so sure about Jackson as I haven't seen him in a lot of of scenes, but Colton plays the popular jock well, so no complaints so far LOL I know he's supposed to be the kanima, but I haven't seen that part yet, so I have to reserve judgement.

I think I have the same problem with Colton as I have with Holland - in that he plays the cliche so well, that it's hard to see past that to a more complex individual. That being said, he DOES have a fair bit of a part with the kanima stuff...and he's rocking that so far.

I'm about 5 episodes into S2 right now...which, I suppose is NEARLY half way. I'll do another post when I finish 2, but so far I'm surprised by how much faster paced it is than S1.

I'm looking forward to getting to S3 too...then I'll have to wait with the rest of you for S3b to start. :P


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