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While at VanCon this weekend, [livejournal.com profile] borgmama1of5 was kind enough to corner 1st AD Kevin Parks, who is the Supernatural-continuity expert on the Supernatural set, and ask him about the missing year between S5 and S6.

His answer, as told to me by [livejournal.com profile] borgmama1of5 is as follows:

They decided to do "soap opera time", because they didn't want to have to push the year forward for the rest of the show's run. So, just like in soap operas when people's kids are toddlers and then suddenly teenagers, so too can Sam and Dean spend a year apart while no time has actually passed in reality.

So, it sounds like it was indeed a conscious decision, though, he could just be good at covering their tracks. On the location tour today, Russ Hamilton was saying how the crew are always really impressed by our attention to detail. He said he was talking to Guy Bee about our indepth questions. (On Sunday, [livejournal.com profile] ratherastory asked Guy Bee the question about the timeline for me during his panel, he did not have an answer). Russ joked that people will get fired for their lack of knowledge, saying "How we didn't know that a year after 2010 is 2011, I don't know."

Either way, what's done is done. I'lll continue to push all my fics forward a year, but I'll keep the timeline true to the show.

Date: 2011-08-30 06:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mymuseandi.livejournal.com
I have an attack of the stupids all afternoon, because I can't understand this entry. So you mean that canon is in 2012, but you do the timeline in 2011? How does it work then?

Sorry. Sigh. It's still early in the day.

Date: 2011-08-30 06:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Yes, that's what I mean - sort of.

It means that it's SUPPOSED to be 2012, but everything on the show (including Sam and Dean's dialogue) says it's 2011, so my timeline says 2011. You have to add a year yourself if you want it to be true to "reality."

So, for instance, all though all the dates in my timeline say S6 took place in 2010/2011, in my demented'verse it takes place in 2011/2012.

Does that make more sense? Basically it's up to your own discretion whether you add the year, or keep the production decision to "lose" the extra year.

Date: 2011-08-30 10:27 am (UTC)
ext_29986: (Uhura!)
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
Yay for BorgMama!! she rocks. :)

What they probably don't realize, since they're not really allowed to look at fic, is that we're an enormous writer's room, with an extremely stringent eye for detail, and so this stuff really matters to us!! Imagine if Guy Bee wrote a big bang, and didn't know what year it is, what the anon meme would say!! :P You know, after I wrote 35,000 words of coda to 5.22, during which, you know, the seasons went round, there were holidays, Dean had a birthday, I kind of noticed the passage of time in the story, and I had to deliberately decide when Sam would come back. Oh well!!

Plus, it seems like a good number of us have academic training, and we turn to good folks like you for material data to back up our claims. :D

Uhura wants this timeline thing sorted!
Edited Date: 2011-08-30 10:30 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-08-30 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Uhura is my kind of people! ;)

I wonder if anyone on my flist has a PhD, I could get them to write me a reference if I ever want to go back to school again... :P

What would the anon-meme say indeed! Hahaha...ah well, I can understand on some level wanting to make their jobs easier, but I really don't think it was THAT hard to push forward a year. It's not like they use a lot of real-life events in their plots anyway.

Date: 2011-08-30 06:13 pm (UTC)
ext_29986: (young severus reading)
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
I have a PhD in English Literature (plus a Women's Studies certificate, and an MFA in poetry). So there you go!


Young Severus should have been a Ravenclaw like me! :P

Date: 2011-08-30 06:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Hey wow, that's awesome! I have an MA in History...hence the mad researching and cataloging :P

I applied to a PhD program once, but was rejected. Oh the heartbreak. It was alright though, because I was a little uncertain if it was what I wanted to do at the time. Still, I might go back one day.

Date: 2011-08-30 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ratherastory.livejournal.com
*does the Time Warp*

I am unreasonably annoyed by the soap opera time thing. >:(

At least we got it clarified. I will be doing the same thing as you in my fic, and pushing dates forward when I need to.

Date: 2011-08-30 05:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
I'm less annoyed than I thought I would be. I guess part of me was kind of hoping it was a stupid mistake and not a conscious decision...mainly because I can't fathom DECIDING to be inaccurate. :P

Date: 2011-08-30 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ratherastory.livejournal.com
Same here. I mean, what the hell? But I guess we'll just have to learn to roll with it.

Date: 2011-08-30 04:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] claudiapriscus.livejournal.com
Now you really need to write the timeywimey crossover! Also, I heard about this whole thing and thought, hmm. I should have known you were behind it. ;)

Date: 2011-08-30 05:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
I really do need to write that crossover :P

And yeah, haha...without me even directing them, my flist acted on my behalf to get me answers! Gotta love friends. :)

Date: 2011-08-30 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] borgmama1of5.livejournal.com
Glad to be of service :D

I have to add, Kevin Parks didn't seem to see what the big deal was...annoying.

Date: 2011-08-30 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Oye...yeah, purposeful inaccuracy annoys me. As well as the fact that if you are going to do a fantasy show that is as realistic as possible, you should really apply that realism to every aspect of it.

Anyway, thanks for getting an answer! I really appreciated it. Also, you were probably more diplomatic than I would have been in the face of his uncaring. *rolls eyes*

Date: 2011-08-30 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ratherastory.livejournal.com
I asked [livejournal.com profile] hells_half_acre about that over lunch, then when the two of us couldn't come up with a satisfactory answer, I decided to corner Russ with it. I was especially pleased when [livejournal.com profile] borgmama1of5 took initiative and asked Kevin Parks about it. I am vindicated! \o/

But it will bug me forever now.

Date: 2011-08-30 06:15 pm (UTC)
ext_29986: (Wicked Clever Ten (4.07))
From: [identity profile] fannishliss.livejournal.com
The timeywimey answer has to do with the Winchesters Defying the Natural Order. Everyone in Cicero was like, doesn't 2010 seem extra long this year???

Date: 2011-08-30 06:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Haha...at this point, I'm thinking I should do a post for people to offer plot-suggestions for the timey-wimey crossover, because so far everyone's ideas are funnier than mine. :P

Date: 2011-08-30 06:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] claudiapriscus.livejournal.com
My theory is that rory tripped over an important lever in the tardis ;)

Date: 2011-08-30 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
I know! I absolutely love that idea! :D

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