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hells_half_acreA little late, but here it is....this one coming more expediently after watching the episode...
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....................
I spent a good portion of the episode saying that, so I thought it was fitting to start out that way. Man or man, this was an amazing episode, but horribly heartbreaking...and once again, I do have to question the shows willingness to kill off so many awesome people. I know it's Supernatural, so the body count is always going to be high, but Jesus Murphy!
Ok, let's see...we start out with the truck driver...and as much as Jesus-pushers annoy me, I felt really bad for him...I mean, geez...poor dude. He's going to spend the rest of his life horribly remorseful for a crime he didn't commit. Anyway, the Mother of All - or Eve - is an interesting monster...traveling down the I90 creating havoc in her wake.
It's Bobby and the Winchesters to the rescue. They've been using Bobby's house as a home-base more and more this season, it seems. Anyway, they get all cleaned up pretty (Bobby too!) and go interrogate the poor trucker dude. They find the footage of Eve and I love Dean's line, "Why hello...freakish nightmare! What the hell is that?!" Hahaha
Then the cops all start mobilizing around them...and um, yeah, part of me was wondering about that...it's a small room, and there are 3 "FBI agents" talking about vamps and ghouls? Those cops MUST have been able to hear them...:P
Anyway, Bobby follows the cops to the scene...and, my goodness but Jim Beaver cleans up nicely. Haha, it's hard to recognize him. In truth, in the scene where they were interrogating the trucker, I didn't actually clue in that the guy in the background was Bobby until he spoke.
Bobby runs into Rufus. Rufus says they should team up - I love the line "...it's not rocket surgery." Haha, I think I'll start using that.
You know, as soon as the boys greeted Rufus with such affection, I started really worrying....
That being said, that was a hellofa lot of a genuine affection from the boys. The only time that they've all hung out was presumably after the events of Good God Y'all. So, Rufus must make a VERY nice impression...yes, he and Dean met in S3, but that meeting was pretty sober, and Rufus was a paranoid hermit then.
Of course, it's not as simple as that...because they get inside the cannery and Gwen and Grandpa are already there. I LOVED how Dean just drew his gun and marched into the room to shoot Grandpa in the face - I love that Dean keeps those kinds of promises. It's also cool because last night when I was waiting for the episode to download and it was taking forever, I read the latest Supernatural magazine, and there was an interview with Sera Gamble and they asked her why it was that we haven't seen Dean and Sam go after the two hunters that killed them in Dark Side of the Moon....and she said it was because there wasn't much to that story really: "Well, don't you think Sam and Dean would just kill them immediately? I don't know if that's a super-exciting story, because that's a story where Sam and Dean would find them easily and overpower them easily. You'd have to be a pretty formidable human to be really worth pursuing for Sam and Dean. I think they have bigger worries." That being said, I WOULD love to see it.
Sam, of course souled now, stops Dean though, and Dean goes to wait out in the hall while they discuss things. It's then that Gwen finds out about how Grandpa sent Dean to his death...and she's rightly outraged and goes to apologize and Dean SHOOTS HER! Oh NOOOOOOOOoooooo......I...I kind of liked Gwen. Yeah, she was sort of dumb for not being more of a badass and realizing that Grandpa was a shady shady dude, but but...potential! *sadness*.
Of course, Dean wouldn't have just shot Gwen if he wasn't possessed by an ear-worm monster.
Then we get the classic closed room/locked house murder case - who is the killer amongst them? Bobby's plan of putting the guns in a bag was a good one, but dude, Bobby probably should have realized that if HE wasn't putting all his weapons into a bag, then probably no one else was...except maybe Sam, who I was surprised let himself be as disarmed as he eventually let himself be.
Bobby and Rufus start making calls - and I always love this glimpse into the wider hunting community. Apparently there's a hunter named Raj, who won't speak to either one of them. Nice.
Meanwhile, Grandpa goes off to use the can, and Sam and Dean do the nod-follow thing so that they can corner him in the hall and have words. I forget what it is they actually say, but Grandpa accuses Sam of not being able to criticize him just because he's "Dr. Jekyll" now. My response to that would be: well, if he was Mr. Hyde before, what's YOUR excuse?
Dean spots the ear dripping black goop just before Grandpa attacks with a hidden pistol....and then the chase is on. I loved Sam spotting the booby trap...but then Grandpa pulls a Gordon-Walker and separates Sam from the others by way of a sliding metal gate.
Sam corners Grandpa, and Grandpa offers to tell him all about his "summer vacation"...and you can tell Sam wants to know...and I worried that he's mention something that would lead to another petite-mal or grand-mal seizure for a second there...but then foolish Grandpa kept advancing on Sam without fully dropping his weapon, and that's just dumb. So, Sam shoots him in the head, and yeah, Sam of S1 probably wouldn't have been able to do that, but it's a whole different ballgame now....and yeah, not putting down your gun right away is just dumb - doesn't Grandpa watch any movies?
Sam shows us how it's done when Dean and the other's arrive - immediately putting his gun on the floor with slow movements, and then allowing rufus to cuff him. Though, yeah, I was surprised that Sam let himself be disarmed THAT much...to not even have the use of his hands. I think it says a lot about how much he trusts Dean, Bobby, and Rufus as individuals.
Of course, there's some question as to whether Grandpa was still possessed when they shot him...which Sam kind of freaks out a little at - the thought that he might have just shot Grandpa...but, that's kind of dumb, because whether Sam shot Grandpa then, or Dean shot him after they killed the monster, Grandpa was still going to die.
Bobby gets the cranial saw out of his car, and he and Rufus go into autopsy mode, just to make sure that the monster is indeed inside Grandpa's noggin. While they set up, Bobby tries to apologize for something that happened in Omaha - that caused Bobby and Rufus to stop hunting together, and apparently was Bobby's fault and led to the apparent death of a female that was important to Rufus. This exchange was done brilliantly - I loved Rufus's false smile and discovering that he's friendly nature towards Bobby was partly just an act he put on to get along, even though he still held a crazy grudge against Bobby. Obviously, whatever Bobby did in Omaha, Rufus recognized it as a mistake, because I'm guessing otherwise he would have pulled a "Dean" and just promised to shoot Bobby in the head.
As they start cutting into Grandpa though, his eyes open! Ack! Reanimated corpse! Punches are thrown! Ruckus! Dean uncuffs Sam, so that Sam can BREAK DOWN THE DOOR. Man, you know, Dean is lucky he has his own personal moose. Then Grandpa is thrown into the live-wires and apparently the ear-worm monster flees from electricity!
So, in order to find out who the ear-worm is possessing, they decide that it's time to be electrocuted! Fun!
Personal story-time! Back when I was around 15 years old, I was trying to cram a new-style plug into an old-style extension cord...needless to say, it was not working, and my hand slipped and I basically momentarily grabbed the electrified prongs and was electrocuted. It was...a rush. I sat there for about two minutes afterward wondering if I had the guts to do it again. Thankfully, I decided that it was probably a bad idea...but there you have it, I actually LIKE being electrocuted. Or well, liked it the one time it happened at that voltage. (I do not like being electrocuted by electric fences...or static electricity).
I like how Sam is so badass that he does it to himself. Hahaha...oh Sam. You are as questionable as I am.
Now, that all being said, being electrocuted can really fuck-up your heart. So, yeah, not fun.
Turns out, that it's in Bobby....and Bobby stabs RUFUS! And HE DIES! NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
*sad face forever*
The boys tie up Bobby and start interrogating the monster. And HOLY HELL IS BOBBY CREEPY! Jim Beaver did an awesome job creeping me out completely! Seriously, where was the father-figure we all love and want to hug?!? Apparently Eve wants the boys to know that they're all going to die...and she's trying to create a world where creatures outnumber humans and we're the bottom of the food-chain rather than the top...I guess if I were the creator of a whole bunch of creatures, I'd be pretty pissed off at the people who have made killing them their life's work.
There are a ton of subtle things in this episode that I love...I didn't outright recognize the writer or the director's name, but man, they both did a great job. So did all the actors. I know from Jim Beaver's twitter that everyone (except Jared) was sick while filming the episode, but man, the performances were amazing regardless. But, I've gotten off track...I love the time that Dean presses the wire to possessed-Bobby just a little too long...and you sort of see that the disconnect has momentarily been flipped in his brain, and Sam has to stop him. Dean did spend ten years of his soul's life torturing people for the joy of it, and it's nice to be reminded of that every once in a while. Just like soulless Sam, there are aspects of all of us that we don't care to admit to.
I also loved Creepy-Possessed-Bobby saying how much Sam and Dean love Bobby. Awww...haha, only on Supernatural can creepy moments be so touching.
This episode was also a LOT about what exactly family means.
But before we get to that - the boys plug up Bobby's cranial orifices and basically electrocute him to death in order to kill the monster. As they cut the scene, we have Sam exclaim that he's not breathing, and then we see a grave...and...you freak out for a moment until you realize that they'd have burned Bobby...and then Bobby walks up.
It's Rufus who has stayed dead. He was Jewish (did we know that before?). I think it's really cool that Rufus is Jewish...not only does it break up the monotony of Christians that we usually see, but it still goes against stereotype since people don't usually picture badass black guys when they think of Jews. Anyway, in Jewish tradition, Rufus is buried not burned. I thought that was a nice touch, but at the same time, I would think that Hunter tradition would supersede religious tradition. But then again, as long as Rufus isn't salted and burned, he could return. (Let's all keep our fingers and toes crossed).
Bobby gives us some background on him and Rufus - it was Rufus who was Bobby's white-knight. It was Rufus who taught Bobby about Hunting, and Rufus who was Bobby's hunting partner until the unfortunate incident in Omaha. I like how Bobby compares he and Rufus to Sam and Dean without adding on the "except not brothers"....because then it allows Dean to give his speech, which is that Rufus SHOULD have forgiven Bobby, because they were brothers. I like how Dean "family-is-everything" has fully embraced the idea that family can be defined in many ways.
God, I love that theme so much in this show. The novel that I've been trying to write since high school is partially about that. Family is something that YOU define and YOU maintain and most importantly YOU CHOOSE. That saying "you can't choose your family" isn't true. You might not be able to choose who you are related to, but you can ALWAYS choose your family...and mores the pity for people who don't realize this and either take their family for granted or feel trapped with them when they don't need to be.
Dean tells Bobby and Sam that when he dies, he wants them to know that he blanket forgives them for everything...and Sam rightly points out that that's a LOT to forgive - and Dean just does. At this point, Sam doesn't even know about letting Dean get turned into a vamp.
Anyway, I missed a bunch of stuff that I loved, that fit into this theme: Grandpa trying to be petty by saying that Bobby is "the guy who acts like he's their father" (or whatever he said) and Bobby saying "well, someone should." Which is a total BURN. Also, it really makes me love Bobby, because, once again, I really believe that family is something you choose. I loved the fact that Dean (and to a lesser extent Sam) had turned off that family-connection with Grandpa. I like that Sam said that from what he could remember, "it wasn't good."
Originally, after Unforgiven, I was a little sympathetic towards Grandpa, because Soulless!Sam just steamrolled him completely. Afterward though, when I thought about it some more and read some other people's thoughts, I realized that he didn't really struggle THAT much. I mean, Mr. Bad-ass Campbell can't stand up to one dude? It's the classic case of the bystander who does nothing, really. Sure, they might not have committed the crime, but they didn't try to stop it. And I repeat, at least Sam could blame it on being "Mr. Hyde", Grandpa was a fully intact human who still presumably had the capability of possessing morals.
The one thing I wished we could have seen was Grandpa actually seeing who Sam REALLY was. I felt he didn't see that at all here - because Sam was very cold and business-like with him - probably because of what Dean had told him and what he could remember from Bristol. I'm not asking for some Full House moment or anything, but just something that would have contrasted that Grandpa sold out his grandkid without even knowing him really. Mainly, I wanted it because I always saw Sam as taking after Mary - and I wanted Grandpa to realize it too...but then, I'm not sure how they could have pulled that off.
This second-half of the season is pretty cool, because the Winchester's relationship is actually pretty goddamn healthy (for them). They're forgiving of each other, and supportive of each other, and not bossy or hiding things (and keeping Sam's memories from him doesn't count as hiding things, since Sam knows what happens when he remembers). It's kind of interesting...really ALL they have to deal with is whatever monster they're up against, and occasionally the Heaven Civil War.
Anyway, those be my thoughts...let me know what I missed...
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....................
I spent a good portion of the episode saying that, so I thought it was fitting to start out that way. Man or man, this was an amazing episode, but horribly heartbreaking...and once again, I do have to question the shows willingness to kill off so many awesome people. I know it's Supernatural, so the body count is always going to be high, but Jesus Murphy!
Ok, let's see...we start out with the truck driver...and as much as Jesus-pushers annoy me, I felt really bad for him...I mean, geez...poor dude. He's going to spend the rest of his life horribly remorseful for a crime he didn't commit. Anyway, the Mother of All - or Eve - is an interesting monster...traveling down the I90 creating havoc in her wake.
It's Bobby and the Winchesters to the rescue. They've been using Bobby's house as a home-base more and more this season, it seems. Anyway, they get all cleaned up pretty (Bobby too!) and go interrogate the poor trucker dude. They find the footage of Eve and I love Dean's line, "Why hello...freakish nightmare! What the hell is that?!" Hahaha
Then the cops all start mobilizing around them...and um, yeah, part of me was wondering about that...it's a small room, and there are 3 "FBI agents" talking about vamps and ghouls? Those cops MUST have been able to hear them...:P
Anyway, Bobby follows the cops to the scene...and, my goodness but Jim Beaver cleans up nicely. Haha, it's hard to recognize him. In truth, in the scene where they were interrogating the trucker, I didn't actually clue in that the guy in the background was Bobby until he spoke.
Bobby runs into Rufus. Rufus says they should team up - I love the line "...it's not rocket surgery." Haha, I think I'll start using that.
You know, as soon as the boys greeted Rufus with such affection, I started really worrying....
That being said, that was a hellofa lot of a genuine affection from the boys. The only time that they've all hung out was presumably after the events of Good God Y'all. So, Rufus must make a VERY nice impression...yes, he and Dean met in S3, but that meeting was pretty sober, and Rufus was a paranoid hermit then.
Of course, it's not as simple as that...because they get inside the cannery and Gwen and Grandpa are already there. I LOVED how Dean just drew his gun and marched into the room to shoot Grandpa in the face - I love that Dean keeps those kinds of promises. It's also cool because last night when I was waiting for the episode to download and it was taking forever, I read the latest Supernatural magazine, and there was an interview with Sera Gamble and they asked her why it was that we haven't seen Dean and Sam go after the two hunters that killed them in Dark Side of the Moon....and she said it was because there wasn't much to that story really: "Well, don't you think Sam and Dean would just kill them immediately? I don't know if that's a super-exciting story, because that's a story where Sam and Dean would find them easily and overpower them easily. You'd have to be a pretty formidable human to be really worth pursuing for Sam and Dean. I think they have bigger worries." That being said, I WOULD love to see it.
Sam, of course souled now, stops Dean though, and Dean goes to wait out in the hall while they discuss things. It's then that Gwen finds out about how Grandpa sent Dean to his death...and she's rightly outraged and goes to apologize and Dean SHOOTS HER! Oh NOOOOOOOOoooooo......I...I kind of liked Gwen. Yeah, she was sort of dumb for not being more of a badass and realizing that Grandpa was a shady shady dude, but but...potential! *sadness*.
Of course, Dean wouldn't have just shot Gwen if he wasn't possessed by an ear-worm monster.
Then we get the classic closed room/locked house murder case - who is the killer amongst them? Bobby's plan of putting the guns in a bag was a good one, but dude, Bobby probably should have realized that if HE wasn't putting all his weapons into a bag, then probably no one else was...except maybe Sam, who I was surprised let himself be as disarmed as he eventually let himself be.
Bobby and Rufus start making calls - and I always love this glimpse into the wider hunting community. Apparently there's a hunter named Raj, who won't speak to either one of them. Nice.
Meanwhile, Grandpa goes off to use the can, and Sam and Dean do the nod-follow thing so that they can corner him in the hall and have words. I forget what it is they actually say, but Grandpa accuses Sam of not being able to criticize him just because he's "Dr. Jekyll" now. My response to that would be: well, if he was Mr. Hyde before, what's YOUR excuse?
Dean spots the ear dripping black goop just before Grandpa attacks with a hidden pistol....and then the chase is on. I loved Sam spotting the booby trap...but then Grandpa pulls a Gordon-Walker and separates Sam from the others by way of a sliding metal gate.
Sam corners Grandpa, and Grandpa offers to tell him all about his "summer vacation"...and you can tell Sam wants to know...and I worried that he's mention something that would lead to another petite-mal or grand-mal seizure for a second there...but then foolish Grandpa kept advancing on Sam without fully dropping his weapon, and that's just dumb. So, Sam shoots him in the head, and yeah, Sam of S1 probably wouldn't have been able to do that, but it's a whole different ballgame now....and yeah, not putting down your gun right away is just dumb - doesn't Grandpa watch any movies?
Sam shows us how it's done when Dean and the other's arrive - immediately putting his gun on the floor with slow movements, and then allowing rufus to cuff him. Though, yeah, I was surprised that Sam let himself be disarmed THAT much...to not even have the use of his hands. I think it says a lot about how much he trusts Dean, Bobby, and Rufus as individuals.
Of course, there's some question as to whether Grandpa was still possessed when they shot him...which Sam kind of freaks out a little at - the thought that he might have just shot Grandpa...but, that's kind of dumb, because whether Sam shot Grandpa then, or Dean shot him after they killed the monster, Grandpa was still going to die.
Bobby gets the cranial saw out of his car, and he and Rufus go into autopsy mode, just to make sure that the monster is indeed inside Grandpa's noggin. While they set up, Bobby tries to apologize for something that happened in Omaha - that caused Bobby and Rufus to stop hunting together, and apparently was Bobby's fault and led to the apparent death of a female that was important to Rufus. This exchange was done brilliantly - I loved Rufus's false smile and discovering that he's friendly nature towards Bobby was partly just an act he put on to get along, even though he still held a crazy grudge against Bobby. Obviously, whatever Bobby did in Omaha, Rufus recognized it as a mistake, because I'm guessing otherwise he would have pulled a "Dean" and just promised to shoot Bobby in the head.
As they start cutting into Grandpa though, his eyes open! Ack! Reanimated corpse! Punches are thrown! Ruckus! Dean uncuffs Sam, so that Sam can BREAK DOWN THE DOOR. Man, you know, Dean is lucky he has his own personal moose. Then Grandpa is thrown into the live-wires and apparently the ear-worm monster flees from electricity!
So, in order to find out who the ear-worm is possessing, they decide that it's time to be electrocuted! Fun!
Personal story-time! Back when I was around 15 years old, I was trying to cram a new-style plug into an old-style extension cord...needless to say, it was not working, and my hand slipped and I basically momentarily grabbed the electrified prongs and was electrocuted. It was...a rush. I sat there for about two minutes afterward wondering if I had the guts to do it again. Thankfully, I decided that it was probably a bad idea...but there you have it, I actually LIKE being electrocuted. Or well, liked it the one time it happened at that voltage. (I do not like being electrocuted by electric fences...or static electricity).
I like how Sam is so badass that he does it to himself. Hahaha...oh Sam. You are as questionable as I am.
Now, that all being said, being electrocuted can really fuck-up your heart. So, yeah, not fun.
Turns out, that it's in Bobby....and Bobby stabs RUFUS! And HE DIES! NOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
*sad face forever*
The boys tie up Bobby and start interrogating the monster. And HOLY HELL IS BOBBY CREEPY! Jim Beaver did an awesome job creeping me out completely! Seriously, where was the father-figure we all love and want to hug?!? Apparently Eve wants the boys to know that they're all going to die...and she's trying to create a world where creatures outnumber humans and we're the bottom of the food-chain rather than the top...I guess if I were the creator of a whole bunch of creatures, I'd be pretty pissed off at the people who have made killing them their life's work.
There are a ton of subtle things in this episode that I love...I didn't outright recognize the writer or the director's name, but man, they both did a great job. So did all the actors. I know from Jim Beaver's twitter that everyone (except Jared) was sick while filming the episode, but man, the performances were amazing regardless. But, I've gotten off track...I love the time that Dean presses the wire to possessed-Bobby just a little too long...and you sort of see that the disconnect has momentarily been flipped in his brain, and Sam has to stop him. Dean did spend ten years of his soul's life torturing people for the joy of it, and it's nice to be reminded of that every once in a while. Just like soulless Sam, there are aspects of all of us that we don't care to admit to.
I also loved Creepy-Possessed-Bobby saying how much Sam and Dean love Bobby. Awww...haha, only on Supernatural can creepy moments be so touching.
This episode was also a LOT about what exactly family means.
But before we get to that - the boys plug up Bobby's cranial orifices and basically electrocute him to death in order to kill the monster. As they cut the scene, we have Sam exclaim that he's not breathing, and then we see a grave...and...you freak out for a moment until you realize that they'd have burned Bobby...and then Bobby walks up.
It's Rufus who has stayed dead. He was Jewish (did we know that before?). I think it's really cool that Rufus is Jewish...not only does it break up the monotony of Christians that we usually see, but it still goes against stereotype since people don't usually picture badass black guys when they think of Jews. Anyway, in Jewish tradition, Rufus is buried not burned. I thought that was a nice touch, but at the same time, I would think that Hunter tradition would supersede religious tradition. But then again, as long as Rufus isn't salted and burned, he could return. (Let's all keep our fingers and toes crossed).
Bobby gives us some background on him and Rufus - it was Rufus who was Bobby's white-knight. It was Rufus who taught Bobby about Hunting, and Rufus who was Bobby's hunting partner until the unfortunate incident in Omaha. I like how Bobby compares he and Rufus to Sam and Dean without adding on the "except not brothers"....because then it allows Dean to give his speech, which is that Rufus SHOULD have forgiven Bobby, because they were brothers. I like how Dean "family-is-everything" has fully embraced the idea that family can be defined in many ways.
God, I love that theme so much in this show. The novel that I've been trying to write since high school is partially about that. Family is something that YOU define and YOU maintain and most importantly YOU CHOOSE. That saying "you can't choose your family" isn't true. You might not be able to choose who you are related to, but you can ALWAYS choose your family...and mores the pity for people who don't realize this and either take their family for granted or feel trapped with them when they don't need to be.
Dean tells Bobby and Sam that when he dies, he wants them to know that he blanket forgives them for everything...and Sam rightly points out that that's a LOT to forgive - and Dean just does. At this point, Sam doesn't even know about letting Dean get turned into a vamp.
Anyway, I missed a bunch of stuff that I loved, that fit into this theme: Grandpa trying to be petty by saying that Bobby is "the guy who acts like he's their father" (or whatever he said) and Bobby saying "well, someone should." Which is a total BURN. Also, it really makes me love Bobby, because, once again, I really believe that family is something you choose. I loved the fact that Dean (and to a lesser extent Sam) had turned off that family-connection with Grandpa. I like that Sam said that from what he could remember, "it wasn't good."
Originally, after Unforgiven, I was a little sympathetic towards Grandpa, because Soulless!Sam just steamrolled him completely. Afterward though, when I thought about it some more and read some other people's thoughts, I realized that he didn't really struggle THAT much. I mean, Mr. Bad-ass Campbell can't stand up to one dude? It's the classic case of the bystander who does nothing, really. Sure, they might not have committed the crime, but they didn't try to stop it. And I repeat, at least Sam could blame it on being "Mr. Hyde", Grandpa was a fully intact human who still presumably had the capability of possessing morals.
The one thing I wished we could have seen was Grandpa actually seeing who Sam REALLY was. I felt he didn't see that at all here - because Sam was very cold and business-like with him - probably because of what Dean had told him and what he could remember from Bristol. I'm not asking for some Full House moment or anything, but just something that would have contrasted that Grandpa sold out his grandkid without even knowing him really. Mainly, I wanted it because I always saw Sam as taking after Mary - and I wanted Grandpa to realize it too...but then, I'm not sure how they could have pulled that off.
This second-half of the season is pretty cool, because the Winchester's relationship is actually pretty goddamn healthy (for them). They're forgiving of each other, and supportive of each other, and not bossy or hiding things (and keeping Sam's memories from him doesn't count as hiding things, since Sam knows what happens when he remembers). It's kind of interesting...really ALL they have to deal with is whatever monster they're up against, and occasionally the Heaven Civil War.
Anyway, those be my thoughts...let me know what I missed...
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Date: 2011-03-05 11:21 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-06 12:42 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-06 12:10 am (UTC)Anyway, Rufus must have gotten over whatever it was enough to just throw it all on the line like he did last time, to help Bobby. (That was awesome. Why won't I be getting my Rufus and Bobby, Grumpy Old Hunters spin off, CW? Whhhhhy?)
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Date: 2011-03-06 12:42 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-06 01:09 am (UTC)I had a lot of similar thoughts as you. I also spent a lot of time yelling "NO" at the screen and making comments...
I did actually worry as soon as Dean went off alone in the factory, I knew whatever it was would get to him to control. After that the episode actually had me questioning a lot who it was really in. I kept thinking it was in Rufus, but it never actually was.
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Date: 2011-03-06 01:17 am (UTC)I kept waiting for it to get into Sam for some reason...though, that would have probably ended up too much like Croatoan.
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Date: 2011-03-06 08:28 am (UTC)When a Winchester dies the first time, it's like OMG... see Sam in "All Hell Breaks Loose, Part I" ... but after awhile you start to wonder, "Does this mean ANYthing?"...
See Marvel's Storm, Phoenix, Cable, Professor X, Magneto, etc., etc., etc. You can't keep killing characters and bringing them back (Sam, Dean, Samuel, Meg....).
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Date: 2011-03-06 08:39 am (UTC)But yeah, after the multitudinous deaths and resurrections of S4/S5, I'm kind of like "ok, you've got to re-establish the permanency of death again, Show, or I'm not going to be concerned for their safety every again..." :P
To be fair though, I should point out that technically Meg (the demon) has never been "killed" only exorcised. She's the longest lasting villain in the whole series so far!
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Date: 2011-03-06 02:40 am (UTC)yeah. i can has April 15th now?
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Date: 2011-03-06 02:48 am (UTC)Sadly, I've got a friend visiting the week of April 15th, and she doesn't watch Supernatural (says it gives her nightmares - apparently the Batman movies and American Psycho don't though.)...anyway, I'll try to convince her to suck it up for a night, but I might be downloading the show and watching it at 2am while she's sleeping or something.
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Date: 2011-03-06 02:49 am (UTC)know what's interesting? all i know about the one on the 15th (right now, anyway) is the title. and that it uses to be 6x18 before it switched spots to be 6x17. heh.
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Date: 2011-03-06 02:52 am (UTC)(no subject)
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Date: 2011-03-06 04:26 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2011-03-06 04:36 am (UTC)Though, the previous unhealthy relationship did lead to a lot of dramatic tension on the show.... :P
Yes... a thousand times, yes!
Date: 2011-03-06 06:11 am (UTC)I was all squee-ie when Dean told Sam that everything was forgiven between them. I don't expect Sam to get over his past that easily (especially when he fully remembers, which sort of has to happen to fulfill story tropes), but I absolutely love Dean's 'look, this wasn't you so it's now forgotten since you are you again' attitude.
Especially since, much as I love Dean, he really can't cast a lot of stones.
My first thoughts....
Date: 2011-03-06 06:02 am (UTC)So, Second, I wasn't fooled by Bobby 'death'. That might be because I'm a Joss fan, so I've seen this fake out already with Cordelia Chase in S3's "Lovers Walk", so I recognized the signs. Damn it. (I've mentioned before that I see a lot of BTVS storylines in 'Supernatural'... that isn't a slight. It's just that there are certain storylines that come with a "Hero's Walk" type myth and Joss followed them. I think Kripke is, also, with his own details, but the shape of the developments remains the same.)
Third - But I was thinking, "Jeezzus - are they TRYING to kill the entire supporting cast?!" I'm disappointed in Rufus' death in a good way (i.e. I didn't want to lose him because he's Steven 'effing' Williams and I've had a crush on him since everyone else was crushing on Tom Hansen (I'll let you look that one up). But, I'm disappointed in Samuel Winchester's death, because he didn't seem to have any actual reason to be brought back. It's like his entire subplot was aborted, or more likely, never developed. In fact, I really wish Supernatural would STOP with bringing back the dead... I don't like death as revolving door because it reminds me of my disillusionment with Marvel Comics, where every major character has died and been resurrected twice (or a dozen times if you're Jean Grey).
Fourth - Jensen rocks in this episode. Jared - it was SO nice to see Jared as not the woobie in this episode. When he shot Grandpa, I was "no way!" ... from there on in, I kept expecting a twist where this would have been a nightmare of Sam's (or he was possessed, rather than Samuel) or something... but no, he did shoot him dead! I also love both Sam's not being seduced by knowledge of his 'year of forgetting' AND his improving relationship with Dean. The two of them standing together again without any hesitation or doubt was awesome (okay there were a few moments of doubt, but it was about the possessing worm, not about them).
Fifth - Am I the only lover of Dean who is a bit concerned about his growing hardness? Everyone thinks it's cool that he'd immediately draw a gun on grandfather, but not me. I'd be fine with him ready to shoot him in the leg, or cold-cock him with his gun - but shooting him dead? This, added with his love of the whiskey is starting to make me fear that Dean is in dangerous territory. I remember a line (and you'll all know which episode, where I don't) where he yells at Sam for being SO damaged... Dean is damaged. Very damaged. Anytime he looks like he's moving darker, I get worried for him. When he shot Gwen, I was like "NO, not Dean! We already did this whole Dark Thing!" Then, of course, I figured out he was possessed.
Finally Sixth: Dean/Sam/Bobby working together in the field *Le Sigh*. And Bobby telling grandfather that somebody had to be a dad-figure for the boys to rely on! And, Bobby playing FBI Agent smoothly (showing what he was like before he played 'Giles' to the boys)... and, Dean's entire 'family is made' statement, which is a Buffy sentiment, if ever there was one... and Bobby's revelation about his past mistakes....
I love Bobby Singer, that is the bottom line, and Jim Beaver needs a far larger role in this season (And next? Has S7 been confirmed? I avoid this stuff, because I live in fear of spoilers of story arcs.)
And, now I'm taking over your comment thingie... sorry. Like I said, I need to find a way to buy the DVDs so I can do proper reviews...!
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Date: 2011-03-06 06:48 am (UTC)But yes, Kripke does follow the Hero's Walk thing...so I'm not surprised there are similarities. Who was it that said that there are only 3 stories on earth? In any case, there are a limited number of stories on earth.
3. I agree about Grandpa, sadly...I wanted to know why HE of all people was brought back. I mean, yes, it seemed that he had more knowledge than the Winchesters (and really, at this point, I consider Bobby and the Winchesters the top tier of Hunters)...but it'd have been nice if that was explicitly said. All we needed was a line from Crowley about why he choose Grandpa rather than someone else.
And yeah, they have to be careful with the deaths, which is why unlike a lot of people, *I* don't want them to bring back Gabriel, or whoever...because there has to be SOME permanent death. Actions have to have consequences. I thought they were on the right track in Appointment in Samarra when Death points out the devastation caused when one goes against the natural order of things - and causes Dean to stop and think about playing so fast and loose with death and resurrection.
4. Completely agree.
5. Oh trust me, I'm concerned! It's still awesome! But I'm a firm believer that something can be both awesome and concerning. Similarly, in S4, I thought Sam's powers were goddamn awesome - it didn't mean that I thought he should be drinking demon blood though :P ...so yes, I'm just as concerned about Dean's behaviour as you are. The truth is that Dean has a LOT of problems...so does Sam, but Sam, I think, made a bit of piece with his before he died in S5...Dean didn't.
6. I agree! Jim Beaver kicks ass. Sadly, because he has an adorable little girl back in LA, he can't really have a larger part than he does already. They offered him one, but he had to turn it down, because he doesn't feel like it'd be fair to his daughter to relocate to Vancouver (as he would have had to, if he had accepted their offer).
As for S7, no official word yet (expecting it any day now though), but everyone is very confident that they'll be coming back next year.
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Date: 2011-03-06 07:28 am (UTC)I just wish that after Yellow-Eyed Demon was killed, we'd had an episode with Sam struggling with performing his objective and ergo, whether he should go back to Stanford, or stay with being a hunter. It always seemed to me that he should have fought with Dean about the issue before he joined Dean on the road whole-heartedly following the defeat of the YED, even with the whole demons being released thing (which would have provided the reason he chose Dean and the mission over school - there should have been more of a conflict there).
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Date: 2011-03-06 07:30 am (UTC)Oh, darn you.... ;-p
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Date: 2011-03-06 07:40 am (UTC)Actually, doesn't it seem like 7-seasons is the optimal for any series? It *feels* to me like if you last less than that, you weren't entirely successful, where if you go beyond say the 8th season, you're exceptional. (S8 is iffy - either you're strong, or you stayed on the air too long, depending on the ratings). I wonder where that particular number came from?
I personally think 5 would be a better number. I could have happily accepted Buffy fulfilling her mandate at the end of S5... and I could have been happy (meta-wise) with Sam's tale ending with his sacrifice, too.
Would it have been a real downer of an ending? Yes! But, it also would have made sense to me, so I could have taken it. My point is though, where did the "7-season rule" start?
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Date: 2011-03-06 06:23 am (UTC)About Eve -
First, I read somewhere (your blog, or somewhere else?) where there was speculation about the new Big Bad being Echidna (When you all Google, choose the 'Greek myths' entry)?
Anyway, I like the 'Mother of Monsters' calling herself Eve because it ties more closely into the 'Christian mythology' motif of Supernatural. This should actually be Lilith, I believe, but since they already used her....
I didn't like the 'dragon in human form' thing, but I do like the general (at least at this point) arc of Eve, especially her telling the doomed trucker that the whole apocalypse happened and he didn't even notice. If they're going to delve into Christian mythology this deeply though, it seems to me - just from a logical story point - that Jesus Christ should make an appearance somewhere. He's reference too much and with the Bible being so big an inspiration, it just seems wrong not to bring him and perhaps, Mary (beyond the Saint-like mother of Sam and Dean), in at some point. It may take courage to do so, but I really think it would be logical. In for a penny, in for a pound, after all....
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Date: 2011-03-06 06:37 am (UTC)I actually like the fact that they don't bring up Jesus. One of my favorite lines from Castiel is that "[our Bible] gets more wrong than it does right." I mean, it's confirmed that Luke was a prophet, but beyond that, no one has confirmed/denied that Jesus was/is the son of God/God-Himself...and I kind of want to keep it that way. By keeping it vague, Supernatural can skirt this cool line where they neither confirm nor deny any of the three major religions...at least in terms of the figure of Jesus who is either God/Prophet/Anti-Christ(False Messiah), depending who of the "big 3" you ask.
I mean, yes, they used revelations, but the apocalypse was averted before we got to see whether Jesus returned to judge.
Not to mention Eve's line in this episode that Jesus was "just a man"...which yes, Christians see him as God/son-of-God born into the body of a man, but did she mean that? Or did she mean that he really was "just a man" who talked a good game?
Anyway, it makes more fodder for these sorts of thoughts, if they leave it vague.
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Date: 2011-03-06 07:14 am (UTC)But Eve's latest statement makes me want Supernatural to tell me what (if any) his role is in this whole universe. After all, they've brought up Christian Heaven and Hell concepts on-screen. It would seem they should dive in with both feet at this point.
But then, I also don't take offense when others don't believe as I do (for the record - believe in a God we don't and probably can't understand - don't buy the Bible as literal - am not religious). So, I get, for practical reasons, keeping things the "we don't know everything" vague-ery. If they would stop mentioning him, by bringing up him/the Bible multiple times. It seems like they are putting themselves into a corner where he either has to make an appearance, or end up looking like what they probably are - not wanting to offend anyone.
In the last season, with nothing to lose, they should just go for it (whenever that is, and we all know that sometimes it isn't possible for the creators to know when their show is ending).
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Date: 2011-03-10 09:08 pm (UTC)Nice catch! Mind you, I'm not sure the worm has the same connotations of rape as demon/angel possession has...but, heck, it still marks a first. (And it's already been alluded to that Dean has been actually raped before now - during his time in hell...but that's opinion and has never been stated outright, only hinted at.)