Not sure if I'm explaining it right...it's like Lucifer put into words why Sam is the way he is now, which is a different Sam than in the first 5 years. Still don't think I'm explaining this right, so suffice it to say that I was viscerally pleased with that whole section of the story tonight!
Yes! That's what I tried to say above too - but I obviously failed. I appreciated it for the same reasons you did - I still don't think it explains Sam THEN accurately, but I think it goes a long way to explain Sam NOW. Though, I'd still have preferred if they had explained Sam THEN better.
Then the cage match in the Cage...I wondered why Lucifer went with just beating the crap out of Sam instead of doing some of his more inventive tortures as shown in Sam's visions. Unless Lucifer was too physical at this level of being there by spellwork and couldn't just reach in and pull out intestines and fun stuff without actually causing irreparable damage to his new vessel?
I think he was just doing the soft approach first... but it could very well be that he didn't have THAT much power in the secondary cage.
But big 3-way fight and Sam is faced with the ultimate dilemma--say yes or Dean is toast--but before he has to answer, Cas interferes. But I wonder what Sam was going to say???
Well, he did say that he was prepared to die or see the people he loved die rather than say yes...so... if that were true, the answer would have been no!
Agreed with everything you say about the Crowley-Rowena-Lucifer scene! (Only, I wasn't surprised - but still a brilliantly acted scene, all 'round.)
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Date: 2016-01-21 08:25 am (UTC)Yes! That's what I tried to say above too - but I obviously failed. I appreciated it for the same reasons you did - I still don't think it explains Sam THEN accurately, but I think it goes a long way to explain Sam NOW. Though, I'd still have preferred if they had explained Sam THEN better.
Then the cage match in the Cage...I wondered why Lucifer went with just beating the crap out of Sam instead of doing some of his more inventive tortures as shown in Sam's visions. Unless Lucifer was too physical at this level of being there by spellwork and couldn't just reach in and pull out intestines and fun stuff without actually causing irreparable damage to his new vessel?
I think he was just doing the soft approach first... but it could very well be that he didn't have THAT much power in the secondary cage.
But big 3-way fight and Sam is faced with the ultimate dilemma--say yes or Dean is toast--but before he has to answer, Cas interferes. But I wonder what Sam was going to say???
Well, he did say that he was prepared to die or see the people he loved die rather than say yes...so... if that were true, the answer would have been no!
Agreed with everything you say about the Crowley-Rowena-Lucifer scene! (Only, I wasn't surprised - but still a brilliantly acted scene, all 'round.)