YAY GABRIEL. Ahem. Sorry, I'm absurdly fond of him.
(Yes, all angels are technically God's soldiers - but Hannah was obviously never stationed on Earth, like Castiel's garrison was.)
There's also medic angels, and Metatron's the Scribe and Gabriel's the Messenger...I think there are different angelic roles, but the only ones who ever come down to earth/interact with humans are the soldiers, because there's no reason for any of the others to.
Huh, you're right, they didn't link Gadreel and Metatron before...which brings me to the point that Sam has access to at least some of what Metatron was planning--granted, not all that much, since a) Metatron doesn't give Gadreel any more details than he has to, and b) Gadreel wasn't in Sam very long after starting to work for him. And I totally get why Sam doesn't go poking those memories, but ever since we found out that vessels do at least passively record everything their angels see (and, presumably, hosts do the same for demons)...so it's probably just a question of access. And...man, just the possibilities there. Like, if someone compiled all the snippets all the ex-hosts and former vessels could find then people could have, like, a clue about the plans of Heaven and/or Hell. ...which kind of makes me wonder if the Men of Letters ever tried to do that. I mean, it would probably be a horrible, horrible experience for the freed human, getting all those memories of what's probably the worst experience of their lives dragged out and picked over, but...anyway, sorry, tangent.
I love the idea of multiple fairy realms.
Me too!
GABRIEL\o/
As for whether or not it's real, I think this is the real Gabriel. On the other hand, I doubt that he's entirely acting of his own volition here--Metatron is overpowered, and basically has a guidebook on everything Angel. At this point, I have zero doubts that Metatron could bind Gabriel, and that's what I tend to think is going on here.
Also just because Gabriel is real doesn't mean he needs to be honest! And there's a couple lines that convinced me he's not in total control of the situation; the phrasing is very Metatron, not Gabriel at all. So, while I think he's real, he's definitely playing to Metatron's script. I don't think he's doing so entirely willingly, but I guess we'll find out if/when he comes back.
That bit with the hug, though, was 100% Gabe. Or so I choose to believe.
Gabe: "Oh, crap. I really hate continuity errors." - They do get you every time. Or, at least one time. :P
More than once! Although the Changing Channels ones were probs deliberate. Which kind of feeds my theory that he's doing this unwillingly--I'd have to rewatch the sequence, but if I'm right, he might be trying to stretch the limits of the script as much as he can to clue Cas in.
THE EYEBROW
so, what is the most effective way to mess things up for Metatron? Try to do what Metatron wants him to do.
...that is a brilliant insight, wow.
As for Gadreel in the garden--I wish we had more info about that. I think that when he did it, he thought he was setting humanity free--Lucifer is manipulative enough to persuade him of that. Especially if this was in the immediate aftermath of the Lilith mess--just imagine the confusion Heaven must have been in, with suddenly Lucifer gone. Then Gadreel has his beloved brother telling him 'It's a mistake, I can explain. But first, let me do this thing, okay?' So, yes, he loved humanity, he wanted to set them free, and he made a mistake--trusted the wrong person. I really wish they'd drawn the Gadreel-Sam-Cas parallels more clearly this season because yes.
Totally agreed on your comments on Gadreel and Dean's conversation. And your commentary on that look Gadreel gives Sam XD.
I love this episode. Because Gadreel and Gabriel and YES. And I choose to believe it was real, but there's real and then there's honest, and it definitely wasn't the second. Whether or not he was real, large parts of that were dishonest. It's whose dishonesty, and why, that is the question--and I think it's more interesting if it's Gabriel's.
Then again, Gabe has consistently been one of my top five characters since I started watching, so I may be a little biased :)
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Date: 2015-01-07 03:15 am (UTC)(Yes, all angels are technically God's soldiers - but Hannah was obviously never stationed on Earth, like Castiel's garrison was.)
There's also medic angels, and Metatron's the Scribe and Gabriel's the Messenger...I think there are different angelic roles, but the only ones who ever come down to earth/interact with humans are the soldiers, because there's no reason for any of the others to.
Huh, you're right, they didn't link Gadreel and Metatron before...which brings me to the point that Sam has access to at least some of what Metatron was planning--granted, not all that much, since a) Metatron doesn't give Gadreel any more details than he has to, and b) Gadreel wasn't in Sam very long after starting to work for him. And I totally get why Sam doesn't go poking those memories, but ever since we found out that vessels do at least passively record everything their angels see (and, presumably, hosts do the same for demons)...so it's probably just a question of access. And...man, just the possibilities there. Like, if someone compiled all the snippets all the ex-hosts and former vessels could find then people could have, like, a clue about the plans of Heaven and/or Hell. ...which kind of makes me wonder if the Men of Letters ever tried to do that. I mean, it would probably be a horrible, horrible experience for the freed human, getting all those memories of what's probably the worst experience of their lives dragged out and picked over, but...anyway, sorry, tangent.
I love the idea of multiple fairy realms.
Me too!
GABRIEL\o/
As for whether or not it's real, I think this is the real Gabriel. On the other hand, I doubt that he's entirely acting of his own volition here--Metatron is overpowered, and basically has a guidebook on everything Angel. At this point, I have zero doubts that Metatron could bind Gabriel, and that's what I tend to think is going on here.
Also just because Gabriel is real doesn't mean he needs to be honest! And there's a couple lines that convinced me he's not in total control of the situation; the phrasing is very Metatron, not Gabriel at all. So, while I think he's real, he's definitely playing to Metatron's script. I don't think he's doing so entirely willingly, but I guess we'll find out if/when he comes back.
That bit with the hug, though, was 100% Gabe. Or so I choose to believe.
Gabe: "Oh, crap. I really hate continuity errors."
- They do get you every time. Or, at least one time. :P
More than once! Although the Changing Channels ones were probs deliberate. Which kind of feeds my theory that he's doing this unwillingly--I'd have to rewatch the sequence, but if I'm right, he might be trying to stretch the limits of the script as much as he can to clue Cas in.
THE EYEBROW
so, what is the most effective way to mess things up for Metatron? Try to do what Metatron wants him to do.
...that is a brilliant insight, wow.
As for Gadreel in the garden--I wish we had more info about that. I think that when he did it, he thought he was setting humanity free--Lucifer is manipulative enough to persuade him of that. Especially if this was in the immediate aftermath of the Lilith mess--just imagine the confusion Heaven must have been in, with suddenly Lucifer gone. Then Gadreel has his beloved brother telling him 'It's a mistake, I can explain. But first, let me do this thing, okay?' So, yes, he loved humanity, he wanted to set them free, and he made a mistake--trusted the wrong person. I really wish they'd drawn the Gadreel-Sam-Cas parallels more clearly this season because yes.
Totally agreed on your comments on Gadreel and Dean's conversation. And your commentary on that look Gadreel gives Sam XD.
I love this episode. Because Gadreel and Gabriel and YES. And I choose to believe it was real, but there's real and then there's honest, and it definitely wasn't the second. Whether or not he was real, large parts of that were dishonest. It's whose dishonesty, and why, that is the question--and I think it's more interesting if it's Gabriel's.
Then again, Gabe has consistently been one of my top five characters since I started watching, so I may be a little biased :)