Hey there I liked this episode, though as someone pointed out, it lacked a certain.... pizazz. It was still a good one, at least for me who adores the poetry that was written into the character of Crowley. He so damn interesting-evil, where beings like the YED were just plain evil and had a "plan". Crowley has NO plan that goes beyond "always do what suits Crowley best". And that's SMART. And also nice to watch. And weirdly sexy ;-)
And Crowley double-crosses Dick, in what COULD be a double-bluff, and basically the boys really do just have to trust him. It makes me wonder though, how Crowley can get away with it...he couldn't have tampered with the contract, so maybe contracts aren't binding UNLESS there's a kiss? And Crowley just left off that part?
I think he could get away with it because Dick didn't care one little bit. The whole scene with Dick was a "con Dick Roman into believing that you believe his deal-offer"-thing. I saw Dick as smart, but too cocky. He thought he could just offer something like Crowley a country to keep (which, no offence to Canada, but would have been a little boring, in the end, for someone of Crowley's calibre. After all, what kind of evil gains could he get from ONE country?) and make the demon happy....
And I bet he didn't intend to keep even that. He betrayed the deal with the Vamp, why keep it with a demon, who he thought was a pathetic excuse for evil anyway. uhm.... I just realized something.
If we follow the lore of Supernatural, Leviathan were put into Purgatory because they were so powerful and evil. So... what does it say about humanity that our Fallen are actually able to outsmart them?
Ok, sorry, back to topic.
Crowley and Dick. Well, Crowley could outsmart Dick because he KNEW Dick wouldn't keep the deal. So he didn't even have to have a loophole-less contract and make it airtight, but he only had to make Dick BELIEVE that he wants a loophole-less contract. Dick wouldn't keep it, which is why he also wouldn't pay enough attention to it to find the loopholes.
Also, the longer the contract, the easier to break it. If he'd really wanted an unbreakable contract, he'd have written "The Leviathan *insert name* gives the demon Crowley the country of Canada plus inhabitants in exchange for not giving the Winchester-Brothers his blood."
I love that Dick got shot down by his own ego.
Bobby! Sam has a great memory for petite brunettes...I wonder why that is? :P
Hee, good point. Hadn't thought of it that way ;-)
And...yes, some of what Dean says is a little brutal - I'm mainly thinking of the "no one cares that you're broken!" line...
Dunno how you exactly meant that sentence, but I'm just saying what I thought about that: Yes, it was harsh, but... really? He's right! Not that no-one cares - obviously at least Sam cares, and I bet Dean does, too, in a way. But he and Sam had to battle SO MUCH SHIT these last years, and NOBODY cared what it did to them. Dean was in Hell? Who cared once he was back. Sam fell into the cage? Who cared/noticed he had no soul? Sam got his soul back? Who cared that Cas destroyed the wall?
I'm not saying that was fair, not at all. It wasn't, but the boys did what I think John taught them: you make a mess, you clean up after you.
So it might be harsh that Cas is broken, but ducking your head and hoping someone else (aka DeanandSam) will make it right again is not the way. So yeah, as much as I agree that it was harshly said, the point HAD to be made. If there's some oldCas inside this one, he'd maybe remember that HE was one of the people who pushed and pushed Dean (and Sam) further and further, asked more and more of them even though they SAID they couldn't do it anymore, didn't want it any more. If anyone had a right to say it, Dean and Sam were the ones.
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Date: 2012-05-22 08:03 pm (UTC)I liked this episode, though as someone pointed out, it lacked a certain.... pizazz. It was still a good one, at least for me who adores the poetry that was written into the character of Crowley. He so damn interesting-evil, where beings like the YED were just plain evil and had a "plan". Crowley has NO plan that goes beyond "always do what suits Crowley best". And that's SMART.
And also nice to watch. And weirdly sexy ;-)
And Crowley double-crosses Dick, in what COULD be a double-bluff, and basically the boys really do just have to trust him. It makes me wonder though, how Crowley can get away with it...he couldn't have tampered with the contract, so maybe contracts aren't binding UNLESS there's a kiss? And Crowley just left off that part?
I think he could get away with it because Dick didn't care one little bit. The whole scene with Dick was a "con Dick Roman into believing that you believe his deal-offer"-thing.
I saw Dick as smart, but too cocky. He thought he could just offer something like Crowley a country to keep (which, no offence to Canada, but would have been a little boring, in the end, for someone of Crowley's calibre. After all, what kind of evil gains could he get from ONE country?) and make the demon happy....
And I bet he didn't intend to keep even that. He betrayed the deal with the Vamp, why keep it with a demon, who he thought was a pathetic excuse for evil anyway.
uhm.... I just realized something.
If we follow the lore of Supernatural, Leviathan were put into Purgatory because they were so powerful and evil. So... what does it say about humanity that our Fallen are actually able to outsmart them?
Ok, sorry, back to topic.
Crowley and Dick.
Well, Crowley could outsmart Dick because he KNEW Dick wouldn't keep the deal. So he didn't even have to have a loophole-less contract and make it airtight, but he only had to make Dick BELIEVE that he wants a loophole-less contract. Dick wouldn't keep it, which is why he also wouldn't pay enough attention to it to find the loopholes.
Also, the longer the contract, the easier to break it. If he'd really wanted an unbreakable contract, he'd have written "The Leviathan *insert name* gives the demon Crowley the country of Canada plus inhabitants in exchange for not giving the Winchester-Brothers his blood."
I love that Dick got shot down by his own ego.
Bobby! Sam has a great memory for petite brunettes...I wonder why that is? :P
Hee, good point. Hadn't thought of it that way ;-)
And...yes, some of what Dean says is a little brutal - I'm mainly thinking of the "no one cares that you're broken!" line...
Dunno how you exactly meant that sentence, but I'm just saying what I thought about that:
Yes, it was harsh, but... really? He's right! Not that no-one cares - obviously at least Sam cares, and I bet Dean does, too, in a way. But he and Sam had to battle SO MUCH SHIT these last years, and NOBODY cared what it did to them.
Dean was in Hell? Who cared once he was back.
Sam fell into the cage? Who cared/noticed he had no soul?
Sam got his soul back? Who cared that Cas destroyed the wall?
I'm not saying that was fair, not at all. It wasn't, but the boys did what I think John taught them: you make a mess, you clean up after you.
So it might be harsh that Cas is broken, but ducking your head and hoping someone else (aka DeanandSam) will make it right again is not the way. So yeah, as much as I agree that it was harshly said, the point HAD to be made. If there's some oldCas inside this one, he'd maybe remember that HE was one of the people who pushed and pushed Dean (and Sam) further and further, asked more and more of them even though they SAID they couldn't do it anymore, didn't want it any more.
If anyone had a right to say it, Dean and Sam were the ones.