Quick Reaction: 7x10 Death's Door

[hells_half_acre]

Hello!

Ok, it's later than usual, and I'm drunker than usual...obviously I lost track of both time and alcohol  consumption tonight.

So, I believe that means it's the perfect time for me to try to remember this episode...

BOBBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh GOD, BOBBY! This episode was brilliant. I loved it from start to finish. I didn't even talk during commercials because I was so engaged and hanging on every word.

Let's attempt to begin at the beginning....

Dean asking Sam if Bobby is dead...Sam saying "I'm not stupid, I know how to treat a gunshot wound to the head!"...brilliant. I love that our boys were probably raised knowing how to treat a gunshot wound to the head...I love EVERYTHING. Oh god...I am a little beyond tipsy. Forgive me, I had a rough week and seem to have compensated by drinking....

And then we enter Bobby's mind...and I love that Bobby knows right away that he's in his own mind. He doesn't need any other part of his psyche to tell him, as Sam did. He just knows. And he knows that the boys he is seeing aren't the boys that he needs to communicate with...and damn, but I love Bobby. I can't help it. I love him because he loves Sam and Dean, and he's smart and brilliant, and Bobby.

And RUFUS! I was not expecting Rufus. He was a nice surprise. Ok, I'm jumping all over the place, but I think that's fair given the episode. We get the boys and then we get Rufus...or do we get Karen first? Maybe Karen comes before Rufus. But we get Bobby bringing a glass of red wine to Karen in bed, and she is beautiful and loves Bobby...

And we get the boy in the ballcap, which I assumed right away - based on the ballcap alone - was Bobby. "God is going to punish you." No, Bobby, I'm pretty sure God is going to reward you....and that's coming from an atheist.

Which, along with the spilled milk, is an early sign as to what memory is his way out - even before we know that there is a way out.

I love that we got to see Rufus and Bobby on a hunt in the old days...I like that Bobby treated Rufus as Rufus rather than a memory... I love the fact that Sam and Dean argue about Jet Li vs. Chuck Norris and Peanut Butter and Banana vs. Licorice. (Personally, I'm with Dean on that last one...though, for the record, Peanut Butter and Banana Sandwiches were Elvis's favourite) (I grew up near an Elvis-themed restaurant...don't ask.) Also, the Chuck Norris vs. Jet Li conversation should have been solved by watching Meng Long Guo Jiang. DRUNKER THAN I THOUGHT LAST NIGHT: I got Jet Li confused with Bruce Lee. Dumbass.

And Rufus, apparently, when conked in the head by a ghost, discovered the way out of a coma - through your worst memory. And Bobby tries. We get some great character information when we discover that Bobby didn't want kids (or was afraid of having kids) and didn't tell Karen BEFORE they got married (NOTE: ALWAYS HAVE THE KID CONVERSATION BEFORE MARRIAGE). And that Karen and he had the fight only 3 days before she was possessed...that Bobby didn't regret killing her, but regret the fact that they hadn't fully recovered from the fight...that her heart was still broken when she passed. SAD TIMES FOREVER.

But still, that's not the worst...as the boy in the ball-cap keeps pointing too...and that the Leviathan way back in 7x03 pointed to, when he mentioned Bobby's daddy-issues. 

We also get to see Bobby sneak Dean out to throw a ball rather than fire a rifle or whatever...and yeah, the kid they got doesn't look much like Jensen or Ridge Canipe, but seriously, who the hell looks like Jensen? (and Ridge Canipe is too old now). And it's a nice memory...and they gave me a year!! 1989. Oh god, I love when they give me years. 

Meanwhile, in the real world...Dean and Sam are in the hospital. You know what I love about these parts (excluding the Dick scene, which I like for different reasons and will get to)?? I love the fact that it's not ANYTHING to do with the Supernatural. We get to see Sam and Dean reacting to a situation that could happen to ANYONE. Their loved one is seriously injured, and somebody is trying to talk to them about organ donation....and man, Dean kills me in that scene...KILLS ME. When he punches the glass-covered info-board and then just says "walk away!"...man...

And then, we get the Dick scene...which is so good...because there IS a downside to impersonating a famous person and having your #1 rule be "There is no such thing as monsters" because it means you CAN'T kill your enemy in broad daylight with 5 camera-phones on you.

"You're either laughing because you're scared, or you're laughing because you're stupid" - AWESOME LINE.

Meanwhile, Sam is TRYING to face reality...he's trying to prepare himself...and Dean won't have it, because for Dean (as I'm sure it is for many of us, it feels as though if he gives up hope, than Bobby won't make it....even though at this point, Dean hopes has nothing to do with Bobby's fight.) And I love how subtle Jared always is with Sam...how he's devastated in an understated way...how the simple fact of looking at a fixed point and rubbing his palm can mean SO MUCH. Sam is hanging by a thread and that thread is about to snap...and Dean isn't prepared for it, and Sam is terrified of it and is not going to be the one to mention it to Dean.....but the fact remains that NO GOOD WILL COME OF THIS.

And we get Bobby trapping a Reaper WHILE UNCONSCIOUS! If that doesn't make Bobby the BAMFiest BAMF that ever BAMFed, I don't know what does...

But the signs are all there...things going blank..the bullet and wound slowly eating away at everything Bobby is and was....

And still, Bobby confronts his very worst memory - the night he killed his own father, to save his mother....but he didn't really save her, not really..."and this is the night we learn that we don't always save the people we save"...and Bobby is the first genetic gun-shot-wound-to-the-head. But that doesn't matter, because Bobby did it all because unlike his father said, he doesn't break anything he touches - he "adopted two boys and they grew up to be heroes!" and OH MY GOD, IF I HAD A SOUL I WOULD BE CRYING.

Unfortunately, my heart is nothing more than an engine formed from remnants of a dead star.

And this is the first time that Bobby has taken full ownership of Sam and Dean - the fact that he fully adopted them when they were adults is inconsequential. They are his boys as much as they are John's....and in good old Supernatural fashion, it's out of his love for them that he returns long enough to write a message on Sam's palm.

And seriously, what is with Sam's palms being so goddamn important this year?

It's a sequence of numbers - that HOPEFULLY Sam and Dean know how to decipher. 

And then Bobby is once again lost to us...as long as he had that information, I knew he would survive, but now that he doesn't?

We get Bobby in the last surviving memory...the Chuck Norris marathon night with Sam and Dean arguing about snacks and using the word "scoot" and being BROTHERS....and then...and then Bobby is given the choice to leave or stay...but the Reaper insists that he's dying either way....

Credits.

SUCH A GOOD EPISODE. Oh man. Like I said, if I had a heart, it would be broken and dolphins could swim in my tears.

It was filled with Bobby being a BAMF and Sam and Dean being real people...and SO MUCH GODDAMN LOVE.

Is it January yet?

Comments

[claudiapriscus.livejournal.com]

I don't care if I'm not watching the show anymore: if Bobby dies for real, and doesn't get better, I will be so so bummed.

I'll just be sitting over here, in my little corner, trying to mentally will Kripke into making a spin off staring Rufus and Bobby. With Ellen recurring.

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

I don't think Bobby will die forever - my prediction: prolonged coma/recovery that will take him out of the action for the rest of the season, but won't kill him. You can't kill EVERYONE, you just can't. And Bobby is far too beloved.

That being said, I agree - a spin off with Bobby, Rufus, and Ellen, would be AWESOME. It's not going to happen of course, but I would fully support it if it did.

(and I totally agree about still being bummed even if you aren't watching the show. I refused to watch Torchwood after S2...still bummed about what happened while I wasn't watching it, which, of course, gave me all the more reason not to watch it.)

[claudiapriscus.livejournal.com]

Some characters just stick with you. Which is kind of a two edge sword...I doubt I would have ever liked this show (angst-hater that I am) if I hadn't gotten really hooked on the characters. On the other hand, I was really hooked on the characters and I just can't enjoy myself when they're dead/suffering fates worse than death.

Which is not what I really meant to say. What I meant to say was that the only thing I could really see hooking me back into the show is if they brought back a lot of the supporting cast. I love Sam and Dean, but I love them more when they have other characters (that I am invested in) to play against. It gives the world more depth, you know? As it stands, I'm having to fight the sneaking suspicion that the really fun story in the Supernatural 'verse right now is taking place in heaven. I mean, c'mon. You've got Ash hacking heaven, and Ellen and Jo running around and being awesome and threatening to kick ass from beyond the grave, and presumably Rufus just being awesome, and John and Mary running around, and even Victor Henriksen. I mean, holy shit, that should be some sort of weird/kickass heist movie.

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

Haha, very true. That's a spin-off right there: Heaven's Roadhouse.

[missyjack.livejournal.com]

IT WAS MAGNIFICENT. Every aspect from the writing thru the directing, cinematography and acting was just on the money.

And there's a whole meta I need to write, about how the comparison between John's death and Bobby's which i am still sorting out. Because in a way even though the boys will be devastated and miss Bobby terribly - well he gave them so much and they knew without doubt that he loved them. Whereas it took them years after John's death to get any peace with him.

Oh and btw the kid who played Dean this week also played him in the flashback in Swan Song!

[ramblin_rosie]

IMO, if they planned on him dying for good and all, we wouldn't have been left with the Reaper's unanswered question. We'd have gotten some kind of closure beyond that 'final' loving "Idjits." And you're right, they can't kill EVERYONE.
*iz a stubborn pro-Bobby AU writer*

[farfadine.livejournal.com]

It was excellent!!! Watching supernatural I had laught out loud, been scared to death, but it's the first time that it made me cry like that, fat tears, sobbings and invasion of kleenex.
And I'm not sure now that some scenes were intentionally a bit fuzzy on the edge (the part when they trap the reaper) or it was just really my tears.

[vail-kagami.livejournal.com]

I think this was it. This was the last we've seen of Bobby, and I do have a soul so I was crying pretty hard. I don't even want to know what will happen to Sam and Dean without his support. Dean's issues and alcoholism will get worse and Sam won't be able to deal with that on top of his own grief on top of his own issues, and there will be a giant Bobby-shaped hole in everything. And if Bobby's gone, then I can't help feeling like the show is slowly preparing to turn off the light. So, not good.
But on the other hand I'm almost (the emphasis being on almost) okay with it simply based on the fact that Bobby got to move on in more than one way - and when it comes to send-offs, you can't get a much better one than this.

[dairygirl.livejournal.com]

It was a well-crafted episode. I was totally excited to see Rufus and getting information even from imaginary Rufus was interesting. Actually, I really liked the reaper. He is determined and implacable (and has a pocket watch). But the real star was Bobby. Going through all his awful memories just to give his boys the information they need--wonderfully done. I will be very sad if Bobby dies both to lose him on Supernatural and for Sam and Dean. Regardless, the Winchesters will now have to rely solely on themselves, no calls to Bobby to add to the inaccessibility of Castiel. I am curious how that will all pan out. At least we don't have to wait a month and a half for a new episode.

[ravelqueen.livejournal.com]

seeing as I it seems have entirely too much soul I was crying my heart out from the mid-point and outright sobbing(without a tissue, because I couldn't pause to get up, now could I) at the end. Like having to turn the volume up just so I could hear show over my noises sobbing ;____;

but also I agree with you this was an awesome episode and jim totally killed it and I loved all the boys!memory (god it's been too long since we've seen them so happy and comfortable) and rufus and everything....and I don't see how bobby can survive, but I'm still holding out hope (also I need a sad icon..)

[borgmama1of5.livejournal.com]

The part of this that hit me the hardest was Sam and Dean being just brothers in Bobby's memory. The boys back in the early years, before Dean went to Hell...it really hurts that there really isn't a way for those boys to ever exist again.

Grieving for light-hearted boys even more than Bobby. He got a perfect send-off.

[special-k414.livejournal.com]

I honestly don't think this is the last of Bobby for simple reasons. 1) He's become too much of an invested character. They've given him his own storylines and eluded to much more of his past than they have anyone else other than the boys. 2) As stated by Dean several times this season, if Bobby dies, he's taking himself out next and, if he's far gone enough, Sam too. And of course, Dean won't die because he's a main character. Or at least, won't -stay- dead. These reasons are right along the lines of why I think they won't completely get rid of Cas either. Cas has too much of an elaborated storyline and presence in the boys' lives to be completely removed. If you think about it, all of the other characters that have died (for good) had very little show-time in the show and we barely knew much about them, their motives, personality, etc. And, not to mention, if they kill off Bobby and Cas, who would they be left with? Sam and Dean? You can do a lot with the boys, as shown by S1, but honestly, I think the majority of Supernatural's success has come from their more complicated storylines and seasons, which you need supporting characters for.

Also one thing that goes with my 2nd point about Dean stating he'd kill himself if Bobby died (2nd or 3rd ep), is one thing Dean said to Sam when Sam was trying to get Dean to see reason and prepare himself for the worst. Dean said, "don't you say that since we muddled through with Dad's death because..." and he walks away. I filled this in for myself and it fits with how the ep went with Bobby's memories. I think Dean would have said, "because Dad wasn't Bobby," implying that while their Dad's death was hard, they eventually got through it alright, but Bobby's death would be the end of the line for Dean because Bobby wasn't their dad, he was MORE. That in itself implies that Dean feels that Bobby had more to do with what kind of man he became than John did (remember end of S4 when Bobby tells him he's acting like John but he shouldn't b/c he's a better man than John was?)

And what point in the storyline would killing Bobby serve? To make the boys stronger? I doubt it since Dean is already teetering on the edge, making suicidal comments. And Sam, despite how good he seems to make himself out to be, is still seeing Lucifer and Hell and that's gotta come to a head eventually. And who would the guys have left to turn to? Not Cas. He's AWOL and there is no one else left. No one. It would be unrealistic of the writers to have Sam and Dean only rely on one another during their good and bad times. Even heroes have to have somewhere they can let their guard down, someone they can turn to who will help bolster their defenses and ultimately, someone they trust. And if that person dies or is removed somehow, the hero usually turns to someone else close by, i.e. John died, they turned to Bobby, which now we know, may have always been the case anyway. If the hero's special person is removed and not replaced, they usually fall into some dark state which usually ends up causing death and destruction. It's one of the oldest archetypes in the book. Heroes cannot function alone and at this point, Sam and Dean can't be left to rely solely on one another. Both are too broken for that. And Dean can't trust that Sam isn't gonna go batshit insane one day and Sam can't trust that Dean isn't gonna get reckless and get himself killed through his suicidal tendencies.

Oh, and I don't think Bobby is dead because on early episode summaries on imdb.com (they're gone now :-/ ), one ep was labeled as "Not Fade Away" and the summary was that Sam, Dean, and Bobby lead the Leviathans to the Hellmouth and discover an old aquaintence, who turned out to be Jake Abel, Adam. Of course, this immediately caught my attention since 1) Not Fade Away is the name of one of the last eps of Angel, and 2) Leviathan, in the Bible, guards the Hellmouth/gate to Hell, so it would be very accurate. And I was excited to see Jake Abel coming back. I'm glad Adam isn't gonna be left hanging. Of course, this was almost a month or two ago when I read this, so they could have changed their minds.

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it was heart-wrenching for sure. According to Jared on twitter, both him and Jensen were also crying while watching the episode last night!

And it wasn't just your tears that made things fuzzy on the edges. That was a particular style choice made by the director and director of photography inside Bobby's head towards the end.

Really beautiful episode. It deserves awards.

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

Yes, I agree!! You could argue that I'm just in denial - but I really don't think they'll ever kill of Bobby completely. I think they needed a way to remove him as a resource for the rest of this season, but not necessarily for the rest of the series.

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

IT WAS MAGNIFICENT. Every aspect from the writing thru the directing, cinematography and acting was just on the money.

I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY

Ooo, I hope you write that meta...because it's true, especially for Sam. Sam had to go back in time and make peace with a version of John that didn't even know who Sam was....whereas, as much as I think Bobby's death is going to be hard on Sam, it's not because Sam didn't know that Bobby loved him or that there were any unresolved issues between Bobby and Sam...it'll be heard because grief is hard and Sam has trouble with his sanity (and grief isn't going to help that.)

Crazy! I didn't know that about the kid. In Swan Song, you only saw brief glimpses, and I was mostly distracted by the adorableness that was little Sammy.

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

I'm still in denial about this being the absolute end of Bobby. I think it might be the end for this season - but, unless the network decides to cancel, I'm pretty sure the cast and crew are all hoping for a season 8...and as you imply, it's hard to have a show without any continuing supporting cast.

But, if this IS the complete end of Bobby - it was beautiful and touching, and a fitting send-off for such an important character.

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

I agree completely! I'm also interested to see how things pan out with the Winchesters being so completely on their own.

It'll be a long month wait, but yes, at least a shorter wait than last year. :)

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

Awww, *hugs* for you.

I agree with everything. And I'm also still holding out hope....I don't think we'll see much of Bobby for the rest of this season, but I just can't bring myself to think that he is gone forever.

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

It's true. I'm not sure when that memory took place - but it's touching that it was Bobby's favourite..and makes sense, character-wise, since Bobby always did want the boys to just be boys when they were young.

[missyjack.livejournal.com]

Hey - what's you guess on the date for the epsiode? I do want to try and give Bobby a death date.

Actually also on that - some fans seem to be seeing this as a cliff hanger, whereas I thoguht it was pretty conclusively that Bobby was a goner!

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

And what point in the storyline would killing Bobby serve? To make the boys stronger?

No, it's to make them weaker. The mid-season finale is always the point where the boys are the lowest (nearly always anyway). You have to bring them to the pit in order to watch them claw their way out again...

...and that's why I don't think Bobby is gone forever either...because of all the points you make above. They need to take Dean and Sam to the lowest point imaginable, but they also have to give them a reason to claw their way back to the surface - and at this point, we already know that Dean was losing his reasons to fight, and that was WITH Bobby still alive. Which is why I'm thinking prolonged coma or slow-recovery...something that will take Bobby out of the season, but not out of the series.

Oh, and I don't think Bobby is dead because on early episode summaries on imdb.com (they're gone now :-/ ), one ep was labeled as "Not Fade Away" and the summary was that Sam, Dean, and Bobby lead the Leviathans to the Hellmouth and discover an old aquaintence, who turned out to be Jake Abel, Adam.

The problem with imdb.com is that unofficial "news" can easily get published. I've watched many a show before, where people will write false episode summaries in order to troll fandom or the show or whatever. So, yeah, as much as it'd be cool for them to bring Adam back, or lead the Leviathans to a hell-mouth, I'm not going to count my chickens until I make sure that I'm not looking at lizard eggs.

[borgmama1of5.livejournal.com]

Sam is wearing his funky shirt from season 2--"Children shouldn't play with dead things"--and from the way it feels, I think it's before everything went south at the end of yr 2.

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

Oh man, I haven't timelined it yet...so I don't know if there are any screenshots that could tell us a specific date. Unfortunately, there was nothing that dated the last episode. They really haven't given me much to work with this year.

That being said, from the last KNOWN date I had (7x08), I'd guess that it's either around late October/early November, or it's sometime in December.

I'm favouring the October date due to REASONS. If 7x08) took place in October, it took place between October 7th-October 13th. So, then it's just a question of how soon after that they met back up with Bobby (who was in Oregon during 7x08) and then drove to New Jersey. They spend 3 days in 7x09, and then this episode follows directly after.

If you want to go for the December date (which I don't favour at all) then 7x08 would have taken place between December 5th and 11th.

I'll download the episode and see if I can give you anything more concrete though.

Actually also on that - some fans seem to be seeing this as a cliff hanger, whereas I thoguht it was pretty conclusively that Bobby was a goner!

I think no matter what, Bobby is a goner for the rest of this season. I DO think it was a cliffhanger in terms of whether he's a goner forever. It WAS a send-off worthy of being a goner forever though, so maybe I (and a bunch more people) are just in the denial stage of grief. :P

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

True, he wore that shirt between S2 and S5, but not in S6. If it took place in S3, then there'd be that melancholic "Dean is going to die" feeling, like in A Very Supernatural Christmas. In S4, the boys were constantly tense with each other...and in S5 things there would be that feeling of constant threat hanging over them. If Sam wears the shirt again, then it COULD possibly be from S6, with Amnesia!Sam...but as I can't say for sure whether Sam had that shirt in S6, then you're right...it's a better guess that it's S2.

I guess I just got distracted by Sam's hair - but it's not like Jared can get his hair cut back to the S2 cut just for a minute-long scene.

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

Yup, the rough dating of "most likely sometime in late October" is the most that I can give you. The only date that appears in the episode is 10 Jun 08, which doesn't work out in any universe.

[missyjack.livejournal.com]

Cool. I think show is basically back to its sort of base formula of time in show lining up (sort of) with air dates of episodes.

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

Yeah, when in doubt, always follow that rule.

[missyjack.livejournal.com]

...and hold out hope that they have a holiday related episode! Let's hold out hope for a very Special Hannukah Episode!

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

That would be awesome! KILLER MENORAHS!! 8 NIGHTS OF TERROR!

[missyjack.livejournal.com]

...someone gets impaled by 20 possessed dreidels!

(i just remembered I once wrote J2 dreidel porn *facepalm*)

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

LOL

I think you win Hanukkah for that. Isn't that in the rules? ;)

[farfadine.livejournal.com]

And it wasn't just your tears that made things fuzzy on the edges. That was a particular style choice made by the director and director of photography inside Bobby's head towards the end.
Ha great, it's an awesome effect that making the episode also fantastic by it's visual choice.

And I agree, it deserves awards.

[mekina.livejournal.com]

I agree with everything you said...this was an amazing episode, one of the best this season. and I loved it when he called them his boys...about the number on sam's palm, bobby left off the last digit! thats not very good. glad to know im not the only one who adored this episode..i read someones reaction and they were bored and wanted bobby dead. D:

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

That's why I don't read other people's reaction :P

Did he really leave off the last digit?! Oh no! I'm not even sure that the boys know that number code anyway....so they are already at a disadvantage.

[mekina.livejournal.com]

Yep, he sure did. I believe the last digit was a five, which he didn't write. Should have expected this, really..nothing is ever easy for the boys. (And I think I'll stick with just your reactions from now on. :P)

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

Yay for my reactions! (I'm actually surprised so many people read them)

And yes, you're right...he ended the number sequence on Sam's hand with a nine. Uh oh. Now I'm crazy nervous. :S

[harsens-rob.livejournal.com]

I've watched this already once, but I usually watch each new episode twice so I can try to catch what I missed first time around.

I've started this one for the second watch twice now, and I just don't think I can do it... not yet, anyway. Oh, Bobby.

I just hope he does go into the light and doesn't stay as a ghost, as implied he was considering. I've finally got S1 of SPN, so I can begin proper reviewing, but I'm already dreading 2030, when I get around to having to review this episode.

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

I know, I was actually kind of thankful that it was an easy one to timeline, because I didn't really have to give it my full attention on timeline-rewatch. But man, it's going to be sad times next fall when I do my rewatch...at least you get to wait until 2030! ;)

I think Bobby is too smart to stay a ghost. He KNOWS what happens to ghosts - that they get twisted. Also, I think, even though the boys are grieving, that they'll give Bobby a proper hunter-funeral, which means that really, Bobby is crossing over one way or the other.

That is - unless we get a deus ex machina and someone saves him! (Let me have my denial until January please!)

[marlowe78.livejournal.com]

Hey there.
I was too busy and a little heartbroken to respond right away, but I'll do it now anyway.

It's not much I got to say, I agree with most of what you said but I really, really REALLY loved that scene And I love how subtle Jared always is with Sam...how he's devastated in an understated way...how the simple fact of looking at a fixed point and rubbing his palm can mean SO MUCH. Sam is hanging by a thread and that thread is about to snap...and Dean isn't prepared for it, and Sam is terrified of it and is not going to be the one to mention it to Dean.....but the fact remains that NO GOOD WILL COME OF THIS.

because while I get Dean's reaction to shoving all away, to not even dare THINK about the unthinkable, to deny and beg and pray (or whatever) and just ignore it, I so love how Jared shows Sam being calm when he is dealing with Dean, but so lost and hurt when he is alone. Afraid, scared, lonely. He needed the hug Dean mocked in his pain, he needed someone to tell him "all will be good" and there was no-one able to do that.

And that is why THAT scene is such a wonderful moment and such a great performance from those two: both deal so very differently with their pain, but both hurt so much that I want to hug them into a coma.


And god, I don't know about Bobby! Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.... *runs in circles*

Also: I love Rufus. And I love how a thing of your imagination can still help you trap a reaper. Nice idea...

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

I agree!

Man, I think, sometimes, I start taking it for granted that Jared and Jensen are such fine actors - but I love the fact that this scene is one of the most heart-wrenching things, and it's not done with the words, but with the actions and silences.

I would also hug them into a coma.

Wow, Outdated much, _rob?

[harsens-rob.livejournal.com]

I just want to get your impression. 'Cause it seems to me in subsequent episodes that Bobby *may* have stayed in defiance of The Reaper.

And this just breaks my heart. We know how things end for ghosts when they're loved ones move on and they're just left behind.

Bobby should not have stayed. I can see where he would to help Sam & Dean. Maybe I would under those circumstances, but this IS wrong.

If it was Joss, I'd say Buffy would end up slaying Bobby (see that episode where Dean notices whiskey from the bottle missing; that seems like an implicit implication Bobby is hanging around), but I'm not sure that Gamble/Kripke/CW has those guts. I mean, Buffy wasn't exactly likeable in S6 & 7, but she was with the UPN at that time and Joss/whoever [Noxon or Espenson... I can't remember which] had the guts and corporate backing to go where they wanted. I'm not sure that the current management/oversight has that freedom.

marlowe78....

[harsens-rob.livejournal.com]

I just wanted to discuss (yes, I'm late: there has been other personal stuff going on) with you on the Sam/Dean developments through current.


I've always considered Sam the stronger, even though I'm in love with Jensen. But, now I'm thinking that Dean may be either growing stronger, or that both of them have different weaknesses that make them equal in the whole.

This is through "Repo Man". I don't know. Sam/Jared seemed to always take things and then justify/deal with 'em. While Dean/Jensen always seemed to deny/have breakdown over them. But now? Clearly Sam is just as broken as Dean?

Re: Wow, Outdated much, _rob?

[hells-half-acre.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it's definitely looking like Bobby stayed behind...which, as you know, I wouldn't expect character-wise...or at least, I wouldn't expect it for a hunter. But then, maybe Bobby's father-role won out.

Now, we also know that on SPN, ghosts can CHOOSE to crossover when they feel their work is done...so maybe at the culmination of this Leviathan thing? Or perhaps someone will figure out how to resurrect him by then? (denial yet again).

It'll be interesting no matter where it goes, I think. I'm pretty sure that Supernatural has enough of a core audience that it can do pretty much whatever they want too - so I'm not worried on that front. The only question remains: what do they want to do?