that's why any good justice-system doesn't base its punishments on what the sinners think they deserve. It ISN'T just.
Also, with this system, as long as you don't feel remorse, you're alright. I don't think that's something that should be encouraged. :P
So no, Dean wasn't convinced, in my opinion. He only didn't really wanna die.
Yeah, I should have worded that differently. I don't think Dean was convinced either - I think he WANTED to be convinced. He WANTED to believe Sam...but that's not the same thing, you are quite correct.
If he didn't think it was necessary, he'd not have gone and killed her. So his guilt isn't for killing Amy, but for not trusting Sam's judgment, for lying to Sam and for making the poor Kid see his mother die.
Very good point. Now I feel better about Jo being the one to come after him.
He feels more guilty for things that happen because he was in some way "selfish" - I might think that this definition of selfishness is based on his non-childhood *kicks John against shin* - then for the deaths he caused by his own hands. Like... he feels guilty for dragging Sam away because HE didn't want to be alone. And for getting Lisa in trouble because HE wanted to not be alone. And for having Jo die because HE didn't feel up to facing Lucifer alone.
YES! Very well said and spot on, I think. Great observation. Dean was taught from the age of 4 that he should want for nothing and sacrifice every happiness he has for others - so of course, even wanting companionship is a sin for Dean. Poor Dean. *kicks John too*
And yes, I also agree with you on why Hell didn't work to cleanse Dean of his guilt - he only came back feeling even MORE guilty. It compounded the problem, it didn't take it away.
We did? Where did I miss something?
Dean says that he "gave up AA for Lent" and Sam says "We're not catholic." ;)
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Date: 2011-10-15 07:51 pm (UTC)Also, with this system, as long as you don't feel remorse, you're alright. I don't think that's something that should be encouraged. :P
So no, Dean wasn't convinced, in my opinion. He only didn't really wanna die.
Yeah, I should have worded that differently. I don't think Dean was convinced either - I think he WANTED to be convinced. He WANTED to believe Sam...but that's not the same thing, you are quite correct.
If he didn't think it was necessary, he'd not have gone and killed her. So his guilt isn't for killing Amy, but for not trusting Sam's judgment, for lying to Sam and for making the poor Kid see his mother die.
Very good point. Now I feel better about Jo being the one to come after him.
He feels more guilty for things that happen because he was in some way "selfish" - I might think that this definition of selfishness is based on his non-childhood *kicks John against shin* - then for the deaths he caused by his own hands.
Like... he feels guilty for dragging Sam away because HE didn't want to be alone. And for getting Lisa in trouble because HE wanted to not be alone. And for having Jo die because HE didn't feel up to facing Lucifer alone.
YES! Very well said and spot on, I think. Great observation. Dean was taught from the age of 4 that he should want for nothing and sacrifice every happiness he has for others - so of course, even wanting companionship is a sin for Dean. Poor Dean. *kicks John too*
And yes, I also agree with you on why Hell didn't work to cleanse Dean of his guilt - he only came back feeling even MORE guilty. It compounded the problem, it didn't take it away.
We did? Where did I miss something?
Dean says that he "gave up AA for Lent" and Sam says "We're not catholic." ;)