Bt if he loved them, why would he ever willingly do that?
Very true, but at the same time, they loved him, so it was pretty cruel of him to take those memories from them.
So I was actally pretty happy that she wasn't killed and that she's OK, but not really part of the story any more.
Yes, I think it was a clever way of forcing Dean to move on without relying on the whole "all your loved ones are brutally murdered" routine. I mean, they're still ripped from him, but it's his decision and it's done to keep them safe - whether or not that makes it more heartbreaking or less isn't really the issue. I'm just interested in the fact that they did something different.
Personally though, I liked Lisa and Ben, maybe just because I like people who love Dean - but I'd like to believe that no memory wipe is 100% and they'll still perhaps dream of him.
And I really liked the 2nd one right up until Cas declared himself the new God. Then I thought it was a bit stupid.
I'm usually not very critical, but I DO think that Kripke messed up the directing for that final scene. I don't mind the concept of Cas getting drunk with power - I think it drives the story nicely and has me worried about next season adequately, I just think that Kripke accidentally turned the dial to "cheese" there at the end and it kind of made it seem stupid instead of compelling.
I was waiting for a soul!Sam to turn up and no-memory!Sam having to kill him too. Cos putting soulless!Sam into no-memory!Sam shouldn't lead you to fulling-functioning!Sam minus his memories of Hell. It should just lead you to a more-empathetic-but-still-no-memory-of-everything-he-did-before-loosing-his-soul!Sam. Right? Or... maybe not. Soulless!Sam's memories and no-memory!Sam's soul fused and filled in the blanks. Right.
I think you are confused...you've got 4 Sam's when there are only 3. You have soul!Sam with a temporary memory wipe - his memories are slowly filtering back in though. Then Soulless!Sam and Hell!Sam are the parts of him that Death shoved behind a wall so that Sam wouldn't be overcome with pain and guilt and two conflicting sets of memories from the same time period. So, yeah, throughout the whole dream we follow soul!Sam. There's no fourth Sam that has neither soul nor memory...there's only two pieces of Sam's soul (healthy!soul and hell!soul), plus the memories formed by his soulless body.
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Date: 2011-05-21 08:32 pm (UTC)Very true, but at the same time, they loved him, so it was pretty cruel of him to take those memories from them.
So I was actally pretty happy that she wasn't killed and that she's OK, but not really part of the story any more.
Yes, I think it was a clever way of forcing Dean to move on without relying on the whole "all your loved ones are brutally murdered" routine. I mean, they're still ripped from him, but it's his decision and it's done to keep them safe - whether or not that makes it more heartbreaking or less isn't really the issue. I'm just interested in the fact that they did something different.
Personally though, I liked Lisa and Ben, maybe just because I like people who love Dean - but I'd like to believe that no memory wipe is 100% and they'll still perhaps dream of him.
And I really liked the 2nd one right up until Cas declared himself the new God. Then I thought it was a bit stupid.
I'm usually not very critical, but I DO think that Kripke messed up the directing for that final scene. I don't mind the concept of Cas getting drunk with power - I think it drives the story nicely and has me worried about next season adequately, I just think that Kripke accidentally turned the dial to "cheese" there at the end and it kind of made it seem stupid instead of compelling.
I was waiting for a soul!Sam to turn up and no-memory!Sam having to kill him too. Cos putting soulless!Sam into no-memory!Sam shouldn't lead you to fulling-functioning!Sam minus his memories of Hell. It should just lead you to a more-empathetic-but-still-no-memory-of-everything-he-did-before-loosing-his-soul!Sam. Right? Or... maybe not. Soulless!Sam's memories and no-memory!Sam's soul fused and filled in the blanks. Right.
I think you are confused...you've got 4 Sam's when there are only 3. You have soul!Sam with a temporary memory wipe - his memories are slowly filtering back in though. Then Soulless!Sam and Hell!Sam are the parts of him that Death shoved behind a wall so that Sam wouldn't be overcome with pain and guilt and two conflicting sets of memories from the same time period. So, yeah, throughout the whole dream we follow soul!Sam. There's no fourth Sam that has neither soul nor memory...there's only two pieces of Sam's soul (healthy!soul and hell!soul), plus the memories formed by his soulless body.