Date: 2012-10-12 07:33 am (UTC)
Lol, I cheated - I'm writing fic and stumbled on the 15 years ago thing (http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/index.php?title=Rufus) on the SuperWiki.

I JUST brained and realized that, yeah, of course Karen would have died long before then *facepalm*. I blame my blood sugar. Clearly I haven't had enough cake today.
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