hells_half_acre | Something I noticed about 7x12 and a random comment about Castiel

So, I timelined 7x12 yesterday...

...and I noticed that Sam didn't specify AM or PM when he wrote 11:34 and summoned Chronos. Maybe it was in the words he said, because he didn't write down the date either...but still...I'd have thought he would have used the 24 hour clock.

Now, a random comment about Castiel in S6....

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who can see what a giant ass Castiel was to Dean. Everyone is always going on like Dean somehow betrayed Castiel and it's all Dean's fault and blah blah blah...but guys, Castiel=BAD FRIEND. You could argue that he doesn't know any better, because he's an angel, but that doesn't mean that Dean has no right to have his feelings hurt and react accordingly. After all, how else is Castiel supposed to learn that his actions were wrong, if not by Dean being honest.

Anyway, that's just been annoying me recently. I think it's Castiel's puppy-eyes that fool people. He's all "I am full of woe" and everyone is like "Oh noes!!" ..and meanwhile Dean is like "But he ignored me for a year when I was the most miserable that I have ever been in life, he then only came to see me when he needed something, and then he lied to me (by omission or otherwise) repeatedly...and then he wouldn't listen when I kept trying to warn him that his ideas were bad...and what? I'm supposed to just hug him and call it water under the bridge?!!" And Castiel is like "Yes, because you hurt my feelings by your reaction to me hurting your feelings...and you called me a baby twice...and even though that's really true, because I'm basically a five-year old, you should still apologize, and do whatever I say, because I helped you out a bunch of times in the past...before I treated you like shit...remember? Remember when I used to not treat you like shit? There we go. Now, let me open purgatory and then forgive me when I unleash unstoppable monsters onto the planet. And uh, don't pay attention to the fact that I broke your brother either and he'll probably slowly descend into madness. Let's just ignore that bit. Where's my hug?"

In other news: So far today, I have been punched in the thumb by an umbrella, I have sliced my finger open on a take-out container, and I have forgotten the naan. :( I'm really hoping my evening goes better.

I am cat/house-sitting for the next 10 days! Woo! Kitties! Thank goodness for allergy medication.

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Yeah, I agree. S5 was about how everyone, good and bad, came together in the face of the end of the world. But it all kinda fell apart in S6.

Oh, I agree. Cas is really selective about his choices on when he comes. Though I think he was avoiding Dean because he couldn't handle Dean's questions and selfishly didn't want to deal with Dean's emotions, not when he was trying so hard to avoid any remnants of his own humanity. It was easier for him to cut ties. He can say it was because he was busy fighting his war, but I think it was because he was still cutting out all humanity and trying to hide his deal.

Well, you know what I think, it all boils down to how divisive Cas has made fandom; people usually hate him or love him. The ones who hate him have no opinion because they hate him, and the ones who love him will always defend him. And because a lot of Dean/Cas fans are primarily Cas!fans, their natural instinct is to defend Cas, so, that makes sense. I'm not saying that's the for sure reason, and I'm not saying everyone's like that (I'm a fan of Cas, but I love to seek out screwed up characters and analyze their screwed-up-ness and I also want what's best for the show > what's best for Cas/Casgirls, so I'm not the standard Cas fan), but it's an interesting thought.

I never saw Cas as a divisive character until this season...and then all of a sudden it was quite apparent he was. I always assumed it was because a lot of people started watching in S4, and just didn't realize that he was another supporting character who was subject to the same faults and ultimate fate as any other supporting character...but then, I have absolutely nothing to base that assumption on.

I like Cas - because I like Characters that are 3 dimensional. Cas tries to do good, but he's constantly messing it all up - from the apocalypse to friendship. I guess the problem is that the character himself seems unable to ever admit that he was wrong, and there are certain fans who then believe that he can do no wrong...or something...maybe they are just crazy.

What's best for the show > what's best for Cas. Personally, after writing him into my demented'verse, I realized how absolutely horrible it is for plot/tension to have such a powerful character in the story. I had to keep thinking of excuses for him not to be around, or for him not to act to his full potential. So, I've been prepared for quite some time for the show to either kill him off completely, or turn him human...but if they turn him human, he still can't suddenly be the third brother in the backseat of the car, because that would be equally as awkward.

Anway, yeah, I'll be interested to see how this all pans out. Personally, I'm the kind of person who is always sort of happy when fans who say "If they do X, I'm never watching again" actually stop watching - because then I don't have to put up with their stupid ideas of what's best for the show. :P

(Not that I don't have ideas about what's best for the show, but I'm at least mature enough to realize that just because the writers might have different ideas than me, doesn't mean that the writers are wrong...I always reserve judgement until something is completely over.)

I think it's because a lot of fandom instantly took him in as a main character rather than a recurring one. He was never meant to be permanent, and at first, I think everyone was okay with it. But as they developed him more and more, that, of course, is when people start picking sides. And the more people see of him, the more people find out about his character, the more they make up their mind. That's my take.

Yeah! I agree. I like complicated characters, but no matter how much I like someone, I can still see their flaws and how they're meant to fit into the story. Cas literally cannot be a permanent character. Just the facts of life. A part of me wants him to always be with the boys, an impenetrable trio, but I know their characters far too well to know it's not even possible. An end to his character is fitting, but I want it done right.

It's funny; because I'm clearly a fan of Cas, I have a lot of fans on my flist who are super Cas fangirls, to the point where one of them isn't watching anymore because he's not in it. I honestly don't care what they do or don't do with the show, but I don't want to get into a massive discussion(mainly 'cause I don't have the energy) about my feels on Cas vs. theirs, so I usually just stick to happier subjects.

I always reserve judgement until something is completely over.
I try to take that approach to life as much as possible. It's the only thing that makes sense(as well as avoiding making you look like an idiot XD).

Yes, very true. There's not point getting into debates with the super fangirls, because in the end, those arguments aren't actually about logic or reason. It's about people who want to have their cake and eat it too. I'd be very happy with a good send-off to the character.

I mean, even Bobby...at first I was fairly horrified that had killed him, and it's not like I don't want them to find a way to bring him back, I'll be happy if they do...it's just that I'd also be happy if he really was dead forever.

I try to take that approach to life as much as possible. It's the only thing that makes sense(as well as avoiding making you look like an idiot XD).

Indeed. It's why my Quick Reactions are always focused on the events of the episode and what I liked (the light topics) rather than me nitpicking every single detail and expounding on whether or not the writers have lost their way. :P

I love our discussions; they're always so good and insightful. I always think of something new and stuff. ♥

MTE on Bobby. His send-off was great, and, if he's dead, then I'm happy with it. If he comes back, then I'll be happy with that, too, though I'd only believe it if they did it well.

It's kinda wavered lately, but, if I write up a review for something, I try to stick with what I liked. There's always a million people talking about what they hate, so I like to stand out. And also reserve my judgments.

I just like people to have a good time, so I try to keep things positive and happy :)

Plus, you know, I only watch shows because they make me happy - so if they are making me miserable, there's something wrong, and I'll stop watching, rather than watch and then complain about it. :P

That being said, when I do truly loathe an episode, I admit it. For instance, I hate Swap Meat from S5. But, usually I leave it at that. "I really don't like Swap Meat", pretty much sums it up. There's no need to go on and on about it.

I enjoy our discussions too! :)

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