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Quick Reaction: 7x04 Defending Your Life
Yay! Episode!
So, how did it start? Oh yeah, recap includes Amy-death-by-Dean, so nice that that's still important. Then we get the dude running through Gastown - uh, I mean Dearborn, Michigan. And he's being chased by a car! And then he runs into his apartment, and he sees his breath, and at this point I actually said outloud "And the car is IN THE APARTMENT!" and then it WAS! HAHAHA!
Sam and Dean arrive on the scene on a sunny day and Sam snaps out of his absence seizure in like a SECOND, yay Sammy! You're doing good! And Dean is all like "ugh, life sucks."
And then Sam is like *whistling and smiley* "Thanks for being a good brother Dean! I'm so happy you didn't kill my childhood crush! I LOVE YOU!" and Dean is like "uh, yeah, I totally did not kill her...right...ugh, life sucks."
Anyway, there is DIRT!
Next! Um...oh yeah, they figure it's the little girl that the dude once killed. I also like the fact that they might be finally addressing Dean's alcoholism....what with Dean making fun of AA and being creeped out by it, and Sam being like "yeah, I wonder why, Drunky McDrunkerton." To be fair though, I don't like AA either, but that's because it has a religious component, and I don't like anything with religious components. I'm all for not killing children with drunk-driving though, just for the record.
So, um...why did they go all the way to the graveyard just to look at a headstone? Couldn't the florist have just, you know, skipped the whole grave visited and looked up the name on the internet? But whatever...nitpicking, stopping now.
They salt and burn the little girl, and then they are DONE AND DONE.
Only then a dude gets ripped apart by an adorable dog inside a bathroom of a diner. AND THERE IS DIRT! DUN DUN DUN!
The dirt is from an apple farm outside of town! And I totally forget how Sam figures that out. So they drive out there! And they come across an old man who is very upset.
Ok, I'm recapping way too much, it's not like you guys didn't watch the episode. I should just talk about the main points...
So, option to check out the bar they all have in common, or the orchard-barn, And Dean picks the bar...surprise surprise. And Sam goes to the orchard...
And I totally thought the bartender must be in on it, because bartenders aren't REALLY that chatty, you know? But apparently not. Dean drinks 6 shots of scotch (3 doubles) before switching to beer, because the bartender tells him that she'll sleep with him. Well, that's one way to curb alcoholism :P
Meanwhile, Bobby is living in a storage locker.
I love the line where Bobby tells Sam that he and Dean need to leave town, and Sam's like "why?" and Bobby says that Osiris preys on those that feel guilty "who does that sound like to you?" and Sam has the classic "OH SHIT!" face.
Only, IT IS TOO LATE.
I also like Dean psyching himself up to sleep with the bartender. "You're Dean Winchester, this is what you do." Um, Dean, you don't HAVE to sleep with bartenders if you don't want to...we won't think any less of you.
Then, YOINK!
And the bartender wasn't in on it. BUT THERE IS DIRT!
BACK TO THE BARN!
Oh wait...the old dude gets killed somewhere in here too, because Sam didn't adequately explain about the importance of salt.
BACK TO THE BARN!
In the version of the Osiris myth I learned, Osiris can't actually leave the Nile. You see, Set killed him and chopped him into pieces and threw him in the river...and then Isis put him back together and resurrected him, except he couldn't leave the Nile after that....and that's why it floods or something. But, anyway, in Supernatural, Osiris is footloose and fancy free and traveling the world punishing people for having an overdeveloped sense of responsibility.
Oh hey, and congrats on them getting an actual Egyptian looking guy to play an Egyptian god! YAY! Diversity makes the world beautiful!
Sam steps in to be Dean's lawyer, and I love the exchange "I was pre-law." "Yeah, PRE!"
Still, it's cool to see Sammy act the lawyer...even if he is getting his cues from The Good Wife.
Jo! I was spoiled for this, because I watched the promo-clip...I really have to stop doing that, but my willpower is weak.
I like that Jo was still kick-ass. That she didn't admit to liking Dean, and that she wouldn't let Osiris lead her answers.
When Sam got up to question her, I totally thought the first thing he said was "So, you're dead..." and I'm like, "geez, Sam, way to be sensitive." But then I realized he had said "So, your dad..." Hahaha and I like the fact that Jo gave him a smile.
And then it was SAM TO THE STAND. And it never occurred to me that Dean would blame himself for Sam getting dragged back into the life, but it makes sense. I also like how they brought it back to the simple fact that Dean just doesn't want to be alone. But the thing is, both Sam and Dean are delusional if they think any of that is there fault - it's their mum's. I mean, Sam was marked from the age of 6 months to go down the road he went down - he was going to get on it one way or the other.
I thought it was interesting how Osiris basically hands them the key to escaping the trial, by telling them that it doesn't matter what Osiris things, it only matters what Dean thinks.
Sam calls Dean to the stand and manages to convince him that his heart isn't heavy with guilt, it's just heavy...and it's not his fault that life blows. And it ALMOST works...except that Osiris threatens to call Amy, and Dean IS actually guilty on that one. So yeah, he's gonna die.
I don't really understand why Osiris sends Jo after Dean though, I mean, it would make more sense to send Amy...but whatever.
We have a montage of Sam pacing, and then Bobby comes through and tells them that they need a rams horn - and Sam looks it up and discovers that it's used in the Jewish faith, so he runs off to steal one. I loved Dean's line of "You're going to steal from a temple!?!" Because that totally supports my personal fanon of Dean having hung out in a Jewish community as a teen.
I don't really understand why they had the Rabbi discover Sam stealing though...I mean, they didn't even really use it that much. He had the one line about Sam not being there for Barmitzvah lessons, but...it just seems odd, it all.
Once Sam is gone, Dean stands in a salt-circle and tells Jo that she can come out. I really like this scene. I feel like perhaps, if I had a soul, it may have made me emotional. It's nice that Dean and Jo have time to talk - and Jo actually tries to give Dean a measure of peace.
Then she turns on the gas....but, uh, then she breaks the window to get rid of the salt...so, uh...ventilation! This is where me and my friend started making "Whenever Jo turns on the gas, she opens a window" jokes.
I did like the loving face pat that Jo gives Dean, before she doesn't light the lighter...and Dean doesn't actually see her disappear.
Beautiful talk-by-the-Impala scene! (I thought maybe Whiterock, but I'm not sure where that location was...it was pretty though.) And Dean asks Sam why HE doesn't feel guilty, and Sam is like "well, I went to hell, I've done my time." REALLY?!! Sam has to get tortured and raped by the devil for anywhere between 1.5 to 180 years in order to not feel guilty about shit that WASN'T HIS FAULT IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?! Ugh, Sam, you break my heart.
But whatever, I'm just glad that Sam doesn't feel guilty anymore. Dean should not feel guilty either...well, except about the Amy thing.
Anyway, I think they are setting up this season to be a "for chrissakes someone help Dean!" season. That boy is in crisis.
Oh, we also learn this episode that the boys are not catholic. I am not surprised.
So, what did you all think?
So, how did it start? Oh yeah, recap includes Amy-death-by-Dean, so nice that that's still important. Then we get the dude running through Gastown - uh, I mean Dearborn, Michigan. And he's being chased by a car! And then he runs into his apartment, and he sees his breath, and at this point I actually said outloud "And the car is IN THE APARTMENT!" and then it WAS! HAHAHA!
Sam and Dean arrive on the scene on a sunny day and Sam snaps out of his absence seizure in like a SECOND, yay Sammy! You're doing good! And Dean is all like "ugh, life sucks."
And then Sam is like *whistling and smiley* "Thanks for being a good brother Dean! I'm so happy you didn't kill my childhood crush! I LOVE YOU!" and Dean is like "uh, yeah, I totally did not kill her...right...ugh, life sucks."
Anyway, there is DIRT!
Next! Um...oh yeah, they figure it's the little girl that the dude once killed. I also like the fact that they might be finally addressing Dean's alcoholism....what with Dean making fun of AA and being creeped out by it, and Sam being like "yeah, I wonder why, Drunky McDrunkerton." To be fair though, I don't like AA either, but that's because it has a religious component, and I don't like anything with religious components. I'm all for not killing children with drunk-driving though, just for the record.
So, um...why did they go all the way to the graveyard just to look at a headstone? Couldn't the florist have just, you know, skipped the whole grave visited and looked up the name on the internet? But whatever...nitpicking, stopping now.
They salt and burn the little girl, and then they are DONE AND DONE.
Only then a dude gets ripped apart by an adorable dog inside a bathroom of a diner. AND THERE IS DIRT! DUN DUN DUN!
The dirt is from an apple farm outside of town! And I totally forget how Sam figures that out. So they drive out there! And they come across an old man who is very upset.
Ok, I'm recapping way too much, it's not like you guys didn't watch the episode. I should just talk about the main points...
So, option to check out the bar they all have in common, or the orchard-barn, And Dean picks the bar...surprise surprise. And Sam goes to the orchard...
And I totally thought the bartender must be in on it, because bartenders aren't REALLY that chatty, you know? But apparently not. Dean drinks 6 shots of scotch (3 doubles) before switching to beer, because the bartender tells him that she'll sleep with him. Well, that's one way to curb alcoholism :P
Meanwhile, Bobby is living in a storage locker.
I love the line where Bobby tells Sam that he and Dean need to leave town, and Sam's like "why?" and Bobby says that Osiris preys on those that feel guilty "who does that sound like to you?" and Sam has the classic "OH SHIT!" face.
Only, IT IS TOO LATE.
I also like Dean psyching himself up to sleep with the bartender. "You're Dean Winchester, this is what you do." Um, Dean, you don't HAVE to sleep with bartenders if you don't want to...we won't think any less of you.
Then, YOINK!
And the bartender wasn't in on it. BUT THERE IS DIRT!
BACK TO THE BARN!
Oh wait...the old dude gets killed somewhere in here too, because Sam didn't adequately explain about the importance of salt.
BACK TO THE BARN!
In the version of the Osiris myth I learned, Osiris can't actually leave the Nile. You see, Set killed him and chopped him into pieces and threw him in the river...and then Isis put him back together and resurrected him, except he couldn't leave the Nile after that....and that's why it floods or something. But, anyway, in Supernatural, Osiris is footloose and fancy free and traveling the world punishing people for having an overdeveloped sense of responsibility.
Oh hey, and congrats on them getting an actual Egyptian looking guy to play an Egyptian god! YAY! Diversity makes the world beautiful!
Sam steps in to be Dean's lawyer, and I love the exchange "I was pre-law." "Yeah, PRE!"
Still, it's cool to see Sammy act the lawyer...even if he is getting his cues from The Good Wife.
Jo! I was spoiled for this, because I watched the promo-clip...I really have to stop doing that, but my willpower is weak.
I like that Jo was still kick-ass. That she didn't admit to liking Dean, and that she wouldn't let Osiris lead her answers.
When Sam got up to question her, I totally thought the first thing he said was "So, you're dead..." and I'm like, "geez, Sam, way to be sensitive." But then I realized he had said "So, your dad..." Hahaha and I like the fact that Jo gave him a smile.
And then it was SAM TO THE STAND. And it never occurred to me that Dean would blame himself for Sam getting dragged back into the life, but it makes sense. I also like how they brought it back to the simple fact that Dean just doesn't want to be alone. But the thing is, both Sam and Dean are delusional if they think any of that is there fault - it's their mum's. I mean, Sam was marked from the age of 6 months to go down the road he went down - he was going to get on it one way or the other.
I thought it was interesting how Osiris basically hands them the key to escaping the trial, by telling them that it doesn't matter what Osiris things, it only matters what Dean thinks.
Sam calls Dean to the stand and manages to convince him that his heart isn't heavy with guilt, it's just heavy...and it's not his fault that life blows. And it ALMOST works...except that Osiris threatens to call Amy, and Dean IS actually guilty on that one. So yeah, he's gonna die.
I don't really understand why Osiris sends Jo after Dean though, I mean, it would make more sense to send Amy...but whatever.
We have a montage of Sam pacing, and then Bobby comes through and tells them that they need a rams horn - and Sam looks it up and discovers that it's used in the Jewish faith, so he runs off to steal one. I loved Dean's line of "You're going to steal from a temple!?!" Because that totally supports my personal fanon of Dean having hung out in a Jewish community as a teen.
I don't really understand why they had the Rabbi discover Sam stealing though...I mean, they didn't even really use it that much. He had the one line about Sam not being there for Barmitzvah lessons, but...it just seems odd, it all.
Once Sam is gone, Dean stands in a salt-circle and tells Jo that she can come out. I really like this scene. I feel like perhaps, if I had a soul, it may have made me emotional. It's nice that Dean and Jo have time to talk - and Jo actually tries to give Dean a measure of peace.
Then she turns on the gas....but, uh, then she breaks the window to get rid of the salt...so, uh...ventilation! This is where me and my friend started making "Whenever Jo turns on the gas, she opens a window" jokes.
I did like the loving face pat that Jo gives Dean, before she doesn't light the lighter...and Dean doesn't actually see her disappear.
Beautiful talk-by-the-Impala scene! (I thought maybe Whiterock, but I'm not sure where that location was...it was pretty though.) And Dean asks Sam why HE doesn't feel guilty, and Sam is like "well, I went to hell, I've done my time." REALLY?!! Sam has to get tortured and raped by the devil for anywhere between 1.5 to 180 years in order to not feel guilty about shit that WASN'T HIS FAULT IN THE FIRST PLACE?!?! Ugh, Sam, you break my heart.
But whatever, I'm just glad that Sam doesn't feel guilty anymore. Dean should not feel guilty either...well, except about the Amy thing.
Anyway, I think they are setting up this season to be a "for chrissakes someone help Dean!" season. That boy is in crisis.
Oh, we also learn this episode that the boys are not catholic. I am not surprised.
So, what did you all think?
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Also we knew from John's dogtags that he identified as "NON-RELIGIOUS' and I don't see the Campbells as being believers.A although Mary did have that thing for angels, but I always put that down to some remnant of her remembering her encounters with them.
I think the think with Dean is he feels responsible for EVERYTHING - i mean as a four year old he felt he had the job of looking after his mother. I am fascinated to see where they take this, and how Dean will cope if Sam is well-adjusted.
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THE DIRT! LOL! XD
The sad thing for me it that this really didn't change anything. Dean's still carrying around guilt that he shouldn't and he's doing that because that's the way he is. Killing Amy or not, he feels responsible for everyone because he's had to look after others from the age of 4. It's all he knows.
I too was thinking White Rock for that final scene, but I looked on Google Maps and nothing quite looks right. I'm thinking River Rd. just south of Westham Island.
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I think they could have done a wee bit more with the concept, but I like that the show really is telling us that with Amy was a shitty thing to do and they are not going to let Dean forget it.
Also my last week prediction that against all odds this is finally going to be about Deans EPIC issues, because he can't hide behind "but Sammys got problems" anymore
Ohh Sam you warm my heart! Its like you are not in fact emotinally constipated despite the long odds what with your upbringing. Dealing with stuff! Moving Forward! Being so so beautiful! You are my sunshine in this show, never ever change! (also lawyer!Sam was awesome! Protective!Sam in general is pretty awesome)
Now I just hope that the Amy thing will actually come up again, because isn't that a shit-storm waiting to happen (still holding on to my hope that the Lisa-Ben thing will come and bite Dean in the ass again. I have no sympathies for that Dean you totally deserve lots of grief over both those horrible, stupid decisions)
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I mean, I loved parts of it. I thought Dean's self loathing and guilt were pretty awesome. His little self pep talk outside of the bar was pretty adorable (he hasn't gotten laid in like a year!). Lawyer!Sam is always welcome.
But... I thought some of the story elements were kind of slapped together. Like the temple thing... it's like they were going somewhere with it and then changed their minds.
I think the main thing I had a hard time was with the Egyptian god. He seemed kind of slapped together and done before (maybe because this is the EXACT plot of Red Dwarf and the Inquisitor). The little convenient piles of red dirt... the cheesy giant statues... I dunno. I'm being a negative Nancy...
I think the location with the Impala at the end may be Steveson area. If it's not there, I have no idea where it would be.
Did you see the Canada Post van in Gastown?
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And I really, really want Sam to turn round one day and go "You know what, Dean? I don't blame you. And you shouldn't blame yourself." I dunno how much it would help, but I want him to say it.
Nice to see a regular job though. I've missed those. :)
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Oh really???? I thought he stated her state of ... life. *blush* Dammit, English language!.
Funny... it makes more sense now ;-)
I thought it was interesting how Osiris basically hands them the key to escaping the trial, by telling them that it doesn't matter what Osiris things, it only matters what Dean thinks.
Yeah, I liked that too. Osiris isn't judging - he's only doing what people's hearts tell them is just. Even though other people might disagree, and that's why any good justice-system doesn't base its punishments on what the sinners think they deserve. It ISN'T just.
And we all know that Dean is as good as dead when it comes to his own heart.
Sam calls Dean to the stand and manages to convince him that his heart isn't heavy with guilt, it's just heavy...and it's not his fault that life blows
Well, for me, Dean didn't look convinced. He looked guilty as hell, and of course he would. People feel guilty for less things, and there isn't really much you can do in a short "trial"-thingy to make them stop feeling like that.
After all, it took Sam 100 years in Lucifer's Cage to stop feeling guilty.
So no, Dean wasn't convinced, in my opinion. He only didn't really wanna die.
I don't really understand why Osiris sends Jo after Dean though, I mean, it would make more sense to send Amy...but whatever.
Huh. I wondered myself. But I think... it could be because he doesn't REALLY feel guilty for Amy, but for going after her behind Sam's back?
If he didn't think it was necessary, he'd not have gone and killed her. So his guilt isn't for killing Amy, but for not trusting Sam's judgment, for lying to Sam and for making the poor Kid see his mother die.
But he DOES feel guilty about Jo dying.
He feels more guilty for things that happen because he was in some way "selfish" - I might think that this definition of selfishness is based on his non-childhood *kicks John against shin* - then for the deaths he caused by his own hands.
Like... he feels guilty for dragging Sam away because HE didn't want to be alone. And for getting Lisa in trouble because HE wanted to not be alone. And for having Jo die because HE didn't feel up to facing Lucifer alone.
I'm seeing a pattern ;-)
I don't really understand why they had the Rabbi discover Sam stealing though...I mean, they didn't even really use it that much. He had the one line about Sam not being there for Barmitzvah lessons, but...it just seems odd, it all.
Maybe there is a missing scene for that? Or to "heighten the tension" - like: does Sam come back on time? Or doesn't he??
*eyeroll* If the writers think we would actually think he WOULDN'T come back on time, they have lost touch with reality ;-) So I'm going with missing scene here. Maybe a funny one.
About Sam and not-guilt: I'm glad he doesn't feel guilty anymore, though I think it would have taken less time for him to reach that phase than 1,5 to 180 Years. But that's the time he was down there... I think he'd be "perfectly unguilty" if he'd have only been there for um, 4 months (40 years)
Soooo, why isn't that enough for Dean?
Well, my guess: because in Hell, he heaped up even MORE sins and guilt. He didn't stay strong, he broke, and he LIKED torturing souls (I fully believe that he did, in that twisted, torture-based way. He didn't have a choice but to like it, so yeah... he liked it. And it still killed him all over)
So yeah, I tentatively hope it's gonna be a "help Dean"-Season. Sam is fin(er) and he's got capacity to do so. He's already noticing the drinking-problems. So that leaves me hoping. And YES: season 7 ROCKS!!!
Oh, we also learn this episode that the boys are not catholic. I am not surprised.
We did? Where did I miss something?
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Sam is proving he can deal with shit on his own, in his own way, and Dean can now move on to dealing with his own considerable problems. AND...best part here...Sam can be the real support system Dean hasn't had since, well, ever? Lisa could've been some sort of support but Dean was not in a place to recognize that. Now Dean just needs to admit he can lean on Sam and Sam can take it. But that's a big step for our Deano.
I've really loved this season, overall! I love that they've stripped away so much of the uber-powerful stuff (though I miss Misha something fierce), so now it feels much more close and dangerous and fragile.
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Frankly, I'm surprised Sam would suggest AA because of the believing in a higher power element. Lets face it every time the boys have MET a higher power they have to learn to try and kill it, or to run like Hell, or to try and kill it and then run like Hell in case the killing method doesn't work. The only other higher power we know about has made it abundantly clear that it (God)takes a hands off view of humanity in general and is perfectly happy to let the Winchesters be sacrificed in the big showdown. Higher powers do not equal good in Supernatural land.
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When I heard the Jewish connection I thought of your Dean&Jewish neighborhood theory.
I remember one of them saying they weren't Catholic, but I don't remember what the reason was...
The broken window/fresh air+gas didn't hit me until after the episode was over, but yeah-it doesn't make sense.
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