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HELLO!

We're finally back to our regularly scheduled Supernatural nights - with me going to my friend's place and drinking copious amounts of wine. Tonight was a very nice Pinot Noir, which made me regret my usual "white wine only" rule... which I instituted one year mainly because I couldn't afford to have my teeth cleaned at the dentist, rather than out of any sort of hatred for red wine (though they do often give me headaches).

ANYWAY... I'm already rambling, so this should be a fun write up - let's get started. Usual rules apply: I've watched the episode once, while intoxicated and I'm still intoxicated - so only correct me if I ask you to or I've gotten something so horrendously wrong that it's a matter of life or death.

Also, I don't have spell check, so just forgive spelling - at this point, I'm 35, and I'm not going to get any better at it.

EPISODE!!!!!!!!

Okay, so first off, I'm excited because this episode has Eileen - you guys, I love Eileen. I REALLY REALLY LOVE EILEEN. I would sing a song about her, but I don't think I can top Dexy's Midnight Runners.

Before we get to Eileen though, we have to sit through a bunch of other stuff. BORING. Okay, not really... only some of it. I'll talk about it.

We begin in 1987, where we find out that Mick is a little older than me, but not by that much. Anyway, he's in London, at Kendrick's School for Men of Letters Douchebags, and we find out that it's not so much like Hogwarts, but more like...uh, the Hunger Games, or possibly Thunder Dome. Basically, two may enter, but only one may leave. Also, if they're setting up a room for a bloody brawl between 12 year-olds, you'd think they'd put plastic over more surface area.

I've gotten ahead of myself... I'll explain for those of you who don't watch the show anymore but still read my drunked write-ups out of curiosity: Mick and his friend Tim are friends, then the Headmistress - a Dr. Hess - invites them into a room and tells them both that they're great students, but only one of them can graduate to the next level and the other one will be dead - and then she leaves them in a room with a knife and a VERY SMALL section of the floor covered in a plastic tarp. It's a classic obedience test - where only the most obedient will kill their friend and graduate. Because that's what the "code demands" which is pretty dumb. Anyway, Mick kills his friend.

Seems a pretty stupid graduation test to me, as you'd be killing off really good students - it's a bit like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Let's cut to something better - SAM AND EILEEN!!

Guys, I ship them so hard it's ridonkulous. They are video-chatting, all adorably, and Eileen is telling Sam about how she's been trying to track down Dagon for them. AWWWWWW... friends.

Dean's in the car too, and Sam points the video-chat at him a couple of times so that he can enunciate into camera. It's awesome.

Then Sam waves goodbye to Eileen and Dean calls them cute, and he is RIGHT.

Back at the Bunker, Sam floats the idea of asking Crowley for help, because they haven't heard from Cas. But they're interrupted in their discussion by the fact that Mick is in their house, drinking their booze. Rude. Apparently if you have a key to one Men of Letter's Chapter House, you have a key to EVERY Men of Letter's Chapter House. Seems like a security risk to me - and I really hope that Sam and Dean take advantage of that in the future, while simultaeously correcting the problem in their own abode.

Mick is all "I'm here on very important business" because apparently he JUST got wind that a nephilim existed. Sam and Dean are both like "old news, buddy" and then Mick is all like "WHY DIDN'T YOU TELL ME?" and they're like "Need to know basis, and you didn't need to know" which is such a John Winchester line (but also just a Winchester line at this point.) Mick insists that they should have shot her, and they're like, "she was raped by the devil, I think she has enough problems." But Mick doesn't really get it.

So the boys suggest they all get drunk.

Then we cut to Lucifer... and listen, I'm not going to lie, I just really really hate this storyline. I'm not going to pay much loving attention to it and I apologize. Anyway, Lucifer is getting an update from Dagon, who tells him that everything is cool with Kelly and the baby.

Back with Mick, who is having another nightmare about killing his 12-year-old BFF 3eva. (That 3 was a typo, but it actually fits, given that it wasn't 4eva at all.)

He's woken up by Dr. Hess calling him, who seems to run the BMoL. She declares that the Winchesters are hopeless and it's time to step things up because of the Nephilim. She wants to "settle America" and basically it comes down to the idea that the Winchesters either obey or they're killed. (Sounds like some colonialist bullshit to me - didn't that all get us in this horrible trouble to begin with - do the British never learn?! People have such short memories these days.) This is also the point where I make a borg joke, because she's basically "assimilate or be destroyed." So, they're the British Borg.

Then we cut to Kelly and Dagon. Kelly keeps having pains and wants to go to a doctor. Dagon is all like "UGH NO DOCTORS!" But Kelly is insistent, so she caves.

Then we're back to Dean and Sam, who are both really hungover - Sam wonders when the last time they heard from their mum was... then Mick waltzes in, all not hungover, and is like "She's fine with Mr. Ketch" and Sam's all like "Would you want YOUR mom hanging out with Ketch?" And Mick is all like "I HAVE A TRAGIC BACKSTORY!" No, really, he tells them that he doesn't have parents, was a homeless kid (in the 80s? I mean, really? Does Britain still have a homeless kid problem? I thought that was nipped in the bud somewhere around the World Wars.) Anyway...he pickpocket a cursed coin out of a BMoL pocket and then they recruited him for "showing promise"... I guess sticky-hands is a good skill.

Back with Kelly, she's getting a sonogram, and Dagon mind-controls the doctor to tell her that everything is "a-ok" which it isn't really, but Dagon wants to reveal that later.

Back with Lucifer and Crowley, I wrote "monologue" even before anyone spoke, because that's how much I love this storyline...which is to say not at all. Anyway, there are dog jokes, and then Lucifer decides he's going to give Crowley what he wants, seemingly because he's decided that being Crowley's slave is still better than being locked in the cage with Michael, who he still claims is insane, also he refers to him as his "little bro" which DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. Gabriel had a WHOLE SPEECH ABOUT THIS GUYS! Listen, watch your own damn show, writers. (Sorry, it's just... rar.)

Let's return to Mick, who doesn't piss me off as much...

He phones Ketch, and we find out that Ketch is with Mary. Then Ketch and Mick reminise about school or something... or maybe Mary makes a comment about them being in school together? I don't know, all I wrote was "Ketch&Mick ->School" So, lord knows what that means.

But this leads Ketch and Mary to discuss school, and Mary tells Ketch that she "learned on the job"

Then we're back to Mick, who hears a noise in his temporary BMoL HQ. It turns out to be Rene Rowlings, who is Dr. Hess' lapdog. I then later forget his name and refer to him constantly as Ross in my notes. But I have it written this first time as Rene.

Anywho, Rene has been sent to make sure Mick is obedient or some such, and it's the beginning of the end for ol' Micky.

Back to the random doctor... also, wait, why did the actual doctor do the sonogram? Is that the way it works in America? Because in Canada, the Doctor sends you to a sonogram clinic, then a technition does the sonogram all silent like, and then sends your doctor the info, and then you go see your doctor and your doctor is like "you're all fucked up!"... granted, I have never been pregnant and have only had sonograms for non-pregnancy reasons, but I just assumed that's how it worked for the preggo people too. I could be wrong though, maybe preggo people are special and they get the doctor doing the ultrasound technicians job and being like "you're all fucked up!" right away?  ...that just occured to me... if any of you have been preggo in the states before, let me know what the sitch is. I just assumed everyone got a silent technician who didn't tell you squat so that your doctor could break bad news to you gently later or whatever. (And if any of you are worried, I'm only fucked up if I wanna have kids, which is unlikely given my economic status anyway, so it's not a big deal that I'm fucked up. I'll still live a long life unless I'm hit by a bus or something.)

Oh yeah - what I meant to say was that the random doctor gets killed by a random dude (who is a little handsome? So it's okay? No, that's not the way handsomest works. It's not okay for handsome people to murder, no matter how handsome they are.)

DEAN! Dean is calling Cas's voicemail - which is adorable, because Cas tells you to turn your voice into mail. But it's also concerning, because we haven't heard from Cas since he got taken back to Heaven, and we don't know what the heck they're doing with him there - and Sam and Dean are starting to get super concerned too.

Sam and Eileen are in the bunker too. EILEEN! I LOVE HER. She tells them all about how she tracked the demon dude and found him disposing of the dead doctor, and then she had an angel blade (I'm guessing Sam gave her one, because he's an awesome boyfriend like that.) And Eileen found out that he works for Dagon and also she managed to get a hold of Kelly's phone number.

Then back to Crowley and Lucifer...sigh. Crowley is trying to get Lucifer to tell his minions that he's an obediant slave now and Crowley is king, but of course Lucifer completely uses the opportunity to give the opposite message without (seemingly) Crowley knowing. Ugh. My notes just say "I hate this."

A step up from that storyline is Kelly and Dagon, who we join next. They're on the phone, until they aren't. Then Kelly's phone rings again and it's Sam doing a funny british-esque voice and I love it. He tells Kelly that the Doc wants to see her again and to come by the clinic at 5pm.

Sam and Eileen (!!) are joined by Mick and Rene. Rene starts in on his whole "graduated top of my class" speech and Eileen says "no one cares." And I love her. Mick has brought the Colt!! YAY!! Back it he hands of the Winchesters WHERE IT BELONGS!!!!!!!!!!!

While this is going on, Dean intercepts Kelly outside the clinic and takes her to the rendez-vous. Sam tells him when he arrives that there's still no word from Cas, and Dean is not impressed. Dean also tells Rene that no one cares about his social or academic standing.

Then they give the whole speech to Kelly again about it being Lucifer's kid and they just want to help. Then they prevent Rene from pulling his weapon and killing Kelly just as Dagon shows up and starts throwing them into things. Sam loses hold of the colt, but Eileen grabs it and moves to kill Dagon just as Rene is moving to do the same on the other side of her (only he'll be using useless normal bullets). Except, just as Eileen shoots, Dagon disappears and the bullet goes straight into Rene.

Mick then announces that apparently the "code" calls that whoever shots a Man of Letters has to then be killed. Uh, again, REALLY?! Even on accident? Stop killing people guys, geezus. Then they're all in a mexican standoff, or whatever that's called when you have multiple guns pointing at multiple people. But Sam talks everyone down, because that's his super power, and Mick doesn't kill Eileen, but my friend, at this point, was pretty much convinced that Mick knew he was going to die instead now.

Then we cut to Mary and Ketch, who are totally doing it...or at least, have done it. Ketch says that he "didn't see that coming." And then me and my friend had to snicker at the accidental Clone High reference "I didn't see that coming, and by that, I mean ME!" Ketch apparently, when he first saw Mary, assumed that he'd end up shooting her. Then Mary gives Dean Winchester's patented "Uh, not to make this awkward, but you DO know this was meaningly sex right?" which, you know, ALWAYS makes it awkward, but Ketch powers through with a good ol' "Of course! Ha! Feeling are for the week! Who has feelings?! Certainly not I, a cold-blooded British murderer!" Then Ketch is all like, "I'm so glad you chose work over family," and Mary is like "Oh my god, not everything is binary - I'm totally choosing both, you idiot!" But Ketch is like "SURE you are..." and he kinda has a point, because I don't think the boys even know where Mary is, nor did they seemingly call her when they were taking on Dagon, so there's something not quite family-oriented there.

Then we're back with Lucifer, who of course has gotten a demon to work with him to try to fix his vessel so that he'll be free. Only Crowley did the smart thing and killed the only demon that knew how to make or undo the spells affecting Lucifer's vessel - so, it's going to take some time for the new demon to figure it out. Oh joy, this storyline will therefore stretch on further and eventually become the main plot. I can't wait. Happy day. Ugh.

EILEEEN!!! Eileen makes everything better. Her and the boys go back to the Bunker, and Eileen is SUPER UPSET because she KILLED A DUDE BY ACCIDENT. And now I bet she feels bad about telling him that no one cares about his academic record... but alas, it is to late to pretend that it matters and act impressed. Sam signs to her that it was mistake and then gives her tender hugs... and I FALL IN LOVE WITH THIS SHIP EVEN MORE.

We interrupt my fantasies to return to Kelly and Dagon, where Dagon handcuffs Kelly to the bed and tell her the truth - the baby is going to be fine, but it's TOTALLY going to kill Kelly.
My Friend: "That will teach you to not get an abortion!"
Me: "Yeah, idiot!"
Then we laugh like the left-wing Canadians that we are.

In seriousness though, we know that Kelly had considered the idea that the pregnancy was going to kill her even before she met Dagon... and she still hadn't aborted it, so it's her decision. BUT, if the Nephilim DOES grow up to destroy humanity and not just Kelly, then everyone will regret it.... but who knows, maybe she'll just kill Kelly and then she'll become a waitress like the last Nephilim we met and everything will be okay. *shrug*

Where was I?

Oh yeah, Mick... poor Mick... Mick and Ketch are at the BMoL HQ, and Mick is like "why did you want to meet?" and Ketch is like "oh, it wasn't me who wanted to meet with you..." and basically it's time for Mick to die. Before we get to the actual murder part though, Dr. Hess comes in and announces that they've given up on Mick's plan and it's all obedience or death now - that Lady Bevel had the right idea. And basically this just tells just tells us that all this time Mick has been claiming that Lady Bevel was the rogue agent, when really it was Mick. Hess reiterates that Hunters are dogs that obey, not people who have opinions and might know better... and that Eileen will be found and killed for her actions "if found guilty" but then Mick is like "hunters are always found guilty." AND THEY BETTER NOT KILL EILEEN!! OFF SCREEN OR ON! I WILL BE VERY VERY ANGRY.

Mick is defiant... and, oh Mick, never be openly defient in an "obey or die" society. He tries to defend Sam and Dean and state that they DO know better, that they save more people by acting on their own morals than following some brutal code.

And then Ketch shots him in the head. And it's sad - because really, that's what happens with exposure to Sam and Dean - same thing happened to Cas too, only there's no God to bring Mick back (more than once.)

But, basically, this means that Ketch is our last chance for a mole inside the BMoL institution. We have to hope that the fact that he's totes fallen in luv with Mary will save us all.

Dean and Sam, meanwhile, are super concerned that they haven't heard from Cas. Also, Eileen has left to go back to Ireland for a bit (TOO CLOSE TO THE UK! Oh man, they better not hurt Eileen. I love her too much.) BUT, in good news, in the chaos following the shooting, Sam TOTALLY snagged the Colt back, and now it's back in Dean's hands, which Dean is pretty jazzed about - he even calls the gun "sweetheart" so you know it's love.

One final scene with Mick's dead body and Hess telling Ketch to exterminate the hunters. Yeah, methinks that might not as well as she thinks it will.

Promo for next week looks like a random MOTW, but who really knows!

As per usual, let me know what you think in comments! And remember, like me, if you hate something, also be sure to mention something you love (LIKE EILEEN)... and if you hate Eileen...this is not the comment section you're looking for.

ALSO, SOMEONE MAKE ME AN EILEEN ICON OR SOMETHING? Do people even make icons anymore? I need some SPN ladies icons - Sheriff's Donna and Jody, or Eileen, or Claire, or just PEOPLE. Mind you, if I move my shit to DW, maybe I don't have the icon choices over there for all this stuff. Blah, other topics for other days.

Date: 2017-04-07 07:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elaine mccourt (from livejournal.com)
Eileen icon - how's this?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dgw4g4k7eks2dgj/imageedit_2_2510393571.gif?dl=0

Date: 2017-04-07 07:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
THANK YOU! :)

I will upload it on the morrow! :)

Date: 2017-04-07 10:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raloria.livejournal.com
Also, if they're setting up a room for a bloody brawl between 12 year-olds, you'd think they'd put plastic over more surface area.
Heh. That did seem weird. Must be written into their Code. "Don't allow blood on the floor, or else!"

The British Borg. Hee! It does totally fit them. Join us or die!

I was sad to lose Mick. Yet again the boys seem to be getting an ally and then they die - just like Hendricksen. *sigh* Don't think we can count on Ketch. He's just....odd. He acts all buddy-buddy with Dean and sleeps with Mary and then in the next moment kills former schoolmate, Mick. Does he have a soul? There's gotta be some explanation for his actions.

I liked the ep, but....the only plus side was that the boys got the Colt back! But that is a big plus. :)

Date: 2017-04-07 03:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Ooo... it's be interesting if Ketch were soulless. I think he's just a psychopath, but there could be more to it! I wonder if it's another weird 'barbaric' BMoL practice, where they designate one killer to be a soulless killing machine - in which case we REALLY can't trust him.

Date: 2017-04-08 04:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liliaeth
I don't think he needs to be soulless. I figure it just became pretty clear during his training that he enjoyed the killing more than he was supposed to, so they probably figured that the best way to control him, was to let him indulge in it as long as it suited their interests.

Date: 2017-04-08 04:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Oh, he doesn't NEED to be. I just think it'd be interesting if he were... but it's also interesting if he isn't. I'm interested in both scenarios.

Date: 2017-04-07 10:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liliaeth
I never get why writers love giving evil organizations those 'fight to the death' graduation tropes.

Wouldn't it make way more sense to put the kids in a room with a shapeshifter who looks like their best friend, and then see if they obey or not?

If they end up refusing, you can still kill the disobedient ones, but if they obey, you've got way more recruits, and thus more usefulness out of them.

(also, wouldn't Timothy's father complain that they had his son murdered? I mean, even if he were MoL, you'd think that he'd at least care about his own legacy.)

On the positive side, I loved how during the conversation with Eileen at the start, that both boys made sure to have the camera aimed at their face so that she's able to read their lips.

Date: 2017-04-07 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Yeah, I'm not a fan of the 'fight to the death' graduation trope. It's just... ridiculous once you start thinking about it logically at all, and then your whole organization looks like morons rather than someone you should be afraid of.

And yes, I loved how they played the video-call with Eileen. I mean, realistically, it'd be pretty much impossible to read lips at night in a moving car, but still... it's cool that they wrote in both boys being really respectful. I mean, they could have even had Dean being like "ask her if..." but instead he had Sam point the camera at him so he could ask her himself. It's little things.

Date: 2017-04-07 04:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liliaeth
It reminds me of a comic I saw some scans of on Scans Daily. Basically it was about a streetkid who gets sponsored into a highclass bording school for assassins.

By the end of term there's a gathering of all the students in the auditorium, and the twist is revealed. The legacy kids have to prove themselves by killing as many as possible of the sponsored kids. ( or the rats, as the headmaster calls them.)

All the 'rats' that manage to survive the culling get to become legacies.

Back to the point, I think that graduation fight was more about Timothy losing, than about Mick. Timothy was supposed to prove himself by killing his best friend, but the kid was too kind to even consider it.

After all lockpicking is hardly the most amazing skill ever. But a kid with no one who cares if he's gone... and if he does win, well they just get a new legacy....

Date: 2017-04-07 04:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
True, but just kick Timothy out - or demote him to some really low position in the organization. I still think it's pretty dumb no matter which way you slice it.

But that's me *shrug*

Date: 2017-04-07 08:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liliaeth
Oh not saying it isn't a dumb idea.

Date: 2017-04-08 04:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liliaeth
Honestly my biggest problem with this new bit of canon, is that it makes the MOL too flat out evil.

There was plenty of reason to create conflict between the Winchesters, while still keeping the BMOL a group that genuinely believes they're a force of good.

Their bureaucracy, vs the American Hunters individuality, the way they go out to kill all monsters, instead of just going after those monsters that are an immediate threat. Killing humans if they get in the way, I could have even accepted the part of their code where they'd kill any hunter that would (no matter how accidentally) kill one of their own.

All those were things that the Winchesters would have stood up against either way. But that from a certain pov, could still be seen as them just trying to be more organized about it, with a long run of history behind them. There was a logic behind it that made sense.

Making kids, KIDS, kill one another, in order to continue on to the next level of training is just in no way logical. This way, even if it wasn't random, you could kill off some of your most brilliant cadets, while keeping only those who are the most vicious, or just the more physically strong. Just because the first group might not physically or mentally be able to kill the second. But as they showed in the ep with the alpha vamp, these people are not meant to go in the field. That's what they've got hunters for. So it's not even like they need their cadets to be the best fighters.

What if Timothy turned out to be a technical genius, who could have been brilliant at developing new weapons? Or hell, what if he was just a good kid, who wanted to help people... But because of the code's stupidity, now he's nothing but a corpse, never able to reach his full potential.

It's even worse than what they did with Samuel Campbell, because at least the Campbells' methods made sense. Part of me can't help but hope that the American version of the MOL left most of the British' version's code behind them.

Date: 2017-04-08 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Agreed. My only thought is that the writers have to make them flatout evil if they're going to have the Winchesters destroy them... though, even so, they're still human, and the Winchesters USED to care about that kind of thing and evilness didn't really matter.

But who knows these days...

Anyway, yes, I agree with you.

It'd have made more sense for the final test to be that Mick ORDERED Timothy to his death...(whether or not he actually died is another matter.) It makes me think of Wesley's final test in Star Fleet...where he had to make a choice between saving the crewman that he could and recognizing that if he attempted to save another crewman, he'd die in the attempt, and therefore NOT trying to save that crewman. That was sort of about sacrifice too, but in a much less evil way - "how do you respond to the fact that your friend might die." And that would be an AMAZING graduation lesson for the BMoL, considering that it's the antithesis of the Winchesters, who continually decide to die with each other or die trying to save the other, much to the world's detriment at times.

But nope, murder... which doesn't parallel or make us think anything about the Winchesters, it's just a universal lazy way of saying "this organization is evil because they have made a child murder another child."

Date: 2017-04-08 06:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] liliaeth
Hell, if they wanted to have him kill another kid, and hint at how harsh they can be, all they had to do, was set up a way where his friend is 'possibly' infected with something. Like maybe there's a chance he could have been turned, and the teachers decide it's best for the other kid to die before the infection fully sets in.

Show how strict they are about monsters. It also wouldn't be going in to what they showed about the mol before, in that they aren't really field agents.

They'd still have a traumatic scene of Mick forced to kill his best friend, and having to be obedient, but at least you could sort of see where they were coming from. And it would link to how we've seen Sam and Dean forced to make the same choices, not to mention last week's ep and how having to kill that girl, affected Mick.

Date: 2017-04-08 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Yes! That would have been way more brilliant - if it reinforced the problems with their black and white views of monsters. They could have even made it a really LIGHT "monster" like the kid was just psychic or telekinetic like Madge at the beginning of this season, but was also just a good guy and Mick's friend and whatnot - and it would have reinforced how if Sam and Dean had been in charge, Mick still would have had his friend.

Date: 2017-04-07 11:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khek.livejournal.com
Just when I decided I like Mick! :(

I also wondered if Mick was the one who was "supposed" to die at the school. Ketch seems to have a very "not-upper-crust" sort of aura around him, so I also wondered if that's why he and Mick became friends. As much as a psychopath can have friends.

I don't understand why Mary and Dean didn't pick up on the lack of any kind of remorse Ketch has. I suppose he could be more charming than we're seeing, but you'd think all the Winchesters would have a sort of sense about that.

I can't stand the Lucifer's child storyline. THe only thing I like about it is silly. My name is Kelly too, and I like that there's a Kelly on Supernatural. :)

I think something bad is happening to Castiel. I wonder how long it will take for us to see it. I thought something was wrong last week when he didn't show up for Claire. Now I'm really convinced.

I love Eileen too! But I do wonder...why is it only female hunters we see hunting alone? Mary, Eileen, Claire...even Bela and Ruby, way back when we thought they were hunters. It seems odd. Is it really that they don't want to pair up two female characters? It seems to me it would be a lot safer to hunt with a partner to guard your back.

I want the boys to pulverize the BMoL. Or at least make it impossible for them to function any longer. I hope it takes awhile though, because once that story is done, I'm afraid we'll be innundated with Lucifer and baby...

Date: 2017-04-08 01:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
Ketch seems to have a very "not-upper-crust" sort of aura around him, so I also wondered if that's why he and Mick became friends. As much as a psychopath can have friends.

Yeah, I wonder. It's hard to tell with Ketch, he seems to have the whole upper-crust speech pattern, but that's easily put on... his behaviour is more, well, I don't think he cares very much about social rules, which kind of puts him more on Mick's level than Hess' or Renny's.

I don't understand why Mary and Dean didn't pick up on the lack of any kind of remorse Ketch has. I suppose he could be more charming than we're seeing, but you'd think all the Winchesters would have a sort of sense about that.

In a weird way, I think they do - but they take it as a combination of Britishness and being a hardened killer, rather than a comment on psychopathy... or, I think that's how Mary sees it. Dean got a bigger taste of Ketch's believe that he NEEDS to kill (and the insinuation that Dean is like him), but then we run into Dean's self-worth issues, so maybe he's like "well, maybe he's right?" You never know.

I can't stand the Lucifer's child storyline. THe only thing I like about it is silly. My name is Kelly too, and I like that there's a Kelly on Supernatural. :)

I like Dagon (Daegon?), so that's making that storyline a little more bearable, but yeah... not a huge fan.

I think something bad is happening to Castiel. I wonder how long it will take for us to see it. I thought something was wrong last week when he didn't show up for Claire. Now I'm really convinced.

I know! I'm SUPER worried. Are they reprogramming him? Torturing him? Have they locked him up? How are Sam and Dean going to learn the truth, will they be able to rescue him?! I'm very concerned.

I love Eileen too! But I do wonder...why is it only female hunters we see hunting alone? Mary, Eileen, Claire...even Bela and Ruby, way back when we thought they were hunters. It seems odd. Is it really that they don't want to pair up two female characters? It seems to me it would be a lot safer to hunt with a partner to guard your back.

Yeah, I guess we saw Tamara and her husband back in S3... and briefly Ellen and Jo hunting together... but that's about it. And at the end of Tamara's episode, her husband had been killed and she went off alone. I mean, Bela I understand, because she wasn't a hunter... and Ruby revealed her demonhood pretty quick. And I guess there are character reasons for all of them, but still, you'd think you'd want backup.

I want the boys to pulverize the BMoL. Or at least make it impossible for them to function any longer. I hope it takes awhile though, because once that story is done, I'm afraid we'll be innundated with Lucifer and baby...

My thoughts exactly. I really am not looking forward to when Lucifer is the big bad again, because JUST LET THAT HORSE DIE!!! But alas, I fear it's only a matter of time... and I DO want to see the Winchesters completely destroy the BMoL.

Date: 2017-04-10 11:58 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] madebyme-x.livejournal.com
I love Eileen too, and her and Sam couldn't be any cuter if they tried!!!! I wasn't much of a fan of some of the lazy writing (demons have xray vision now? And Dagon has mind control powers?), but I loved seeing happy and smiling Sam, was relieved that Eileen survived (and yes, I'm worried about her too!), and was actually shocked when Mick got shot (and just when I starting to like him too!) I felt this episode moved us forward and did its job.

What are they going to do with Kelly? Will they actually kill a pregnant woman/a baby? Maybe she'll kill herself now that she knows her baby is going to kill her? Or may BMoL will do it? Or maybe she'll just die and season 12 will end with Lucifer being the king of hell with a baby in his arms? I'm spoiler free, but I enjoy pondering these things.

Looking forward to more! And thank you for sharing this post :)

Date: 2017-04-10 06:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hells-half-acre.livejournal.com
I knew the Mick shot was coming - but I was surprised at the abruptness of it.

And yes, agreed about some of the lazy writing choices. I'm also not sure where the line is, but the xray vision may have also been a lazy directing choice... who knows.

I'm really curious as to what they'll do with Kelly too. Traditionally, Sam and Dean do not kill children, even when it makes WAY more sense to do so rather than leaving them alive. It might be that they get the BMoL to end her and then it's a further nail in the coffin of their evilness... or, it could be, as you say, that things just carry on like Dagon wants them to and S13 begins with Lucifer and his kid ruling Hell. At this point, I really can't tell where it's going - I figure that Kelly's storyline and the BMoL storyline will come to a head at the same time (that's the path we just set up) but there are too many variables to say which way it will play out.

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